Rick Schwartz is getting tired of some of the games in the auction business.
Rick has been tweeting out a few things today about GoDaddy auctions
I am still trying to get off the floor. My @GoDaddy rep just told me that they have no problem with people bidding on their own #Domains in their auctions. Please someone revive me and tell me I’m not in the twilight zone.
— Rick Schwartz ? (@DomainKing) November 20, 2017
I suggested to @GoDaddy rep that only way timing could be so perfect that registrant could renew at exact same time as the end of auction is the last bidder would’ve had to be the owner to give them five minutes to renew. That was when I learned owners can bid on own #Domains!!
— Rick Schwartz ? (@DomainKing) November 20, 2017
All I can do is stop doing business with #unethical companies that don’t KNOW the difference between Right and WRONG! So the first batch of transfers have been completed! @GoDaddy. #GoDaddy @GoDaddyHelp #Domains #Startups #marketing #sales #How2LoseCustomers #FakeAuctions ? pic.twitter.com/rTTVViZkcQ
— Rick Schwartz ? (@DomainKing) November 20, 2017
Not sure why an owner of an expired domain would be bidding on their own name if they wanted to keep it. They could just transfer it out or pay the redemtion fee to keep the domain at GoDaddy.
The new year needs to bring about better policies and in the case of GoDaddy, bidder id’s which I have been writing about for awhile now.
Paul Nicks in an interview I did with him years ago replied to a comment about the 45 day rule:
Ms Domainer, re: the 42/45 day question:
Good question and one that I sincerely hope I can clarify. First, I’ll underscore a point I made in the interview, we created the system to give our registrants the ability to keep or redeem their name as long as possible. With that as the backdrop, hopefully the following explanation will make more sense.
For many TLDs we are given a grace period of up to 45 days after expiration to decide whether to keep or drop a domain. On the 25th day after expiration, after three attempts to contact the registrant, we put our expiring inventory onto the Go Daddy Auctions platform to see if any of our other customers are interested in acquiring them. During the entire time a domain is at auction the current registrant is able to redeem that domain, albeit for a fee.
On the 42nd day we will cancel the domain name if no other customer has expressed an interest in it via either the auction system or a Go Daddy backorder. If, however, a customer has expressed an interest via either of these platforms we will move the domain to their account on day 43. Since the domain is still in the Go Daddy ecosystem we do allow, in rare circumstances, the original registrant to get the domain back via our redemption system up until day 45 which signifies the end of the grace period.
Our help documentation (http://support.godaddy.com/help/article/608/what-is-your-process-for-handling-expired-domain-names?locale=en) specifies day 42 for deletion because our registrants need to understand that if they do not redeem prior to that date they could lose their domain forever. However, we will continue to err on the side of the registrant when it comes to the edge cases where a domain owner calls asking whether they can get their domain back after day 42.
I hope that helps ease any confusion around this topic.
-Paul
I can’t say that GoDaddy made their money by been a honest company. The internet industry is corrupted starting with icann and godadyy. Visit my website, I have a lawsuit against icann, godaddy and more. Visit http://www.z.Quebec. Try to figure out who hacked Hillary Clinton servers.
Acting kind of like Donald Trump, needs to stop, and think before jumping to conclusions.
If godaddy is going to receive the proceeds of the sale of an expired auction, why would an owner bid on their own auction?
I feel Godaddy is doing a decent job, his issue should be with Namejet who feels the silent treatment makes things just go away, the 800lb Gorilla is in the room at Namejet, and it is about a schill bidding ring
“If godaddy is going to receive the proceeds of the sale of an expired auction, why would an owner bid on their own auction?”
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I’m guess to see the maximum a real buy would have paid by shilling it up. Something certainly stinks here.
Auctions are never easy venue so many industry auctions have issues right now.
Even Dropcatch is riddled with issues of rogue bidders, bidders who have unpaid auctions still bidding, where do we start?
I recommend Godaddy just put an internal block from account holders bidding on their own auctions, and if they choose to create a new account to do this, block both accounts, and boot them off the system.
An average domainer who probably spends $10-30K in these auction venues annually probably has been fleeced a good healthy 4 figure amount by schills for sure, I believe one point or another we all have been bid up, or schilled.
I believe Godaddy has one of the better internal backchecks to squash fraudlent bidders based on their manpower compared to Namejet, Snap, or Dropcatch.
Pheenix can’t catch anything as they have let go many of their connections.
I think this system is great .not all of us can afford to renew domains when due. this is no doubt why godaddy got where it is .The auction market is what makes it great .godaddy out of all involved has the most to lose. Cry babies with deep pockets that can outbid anyone can just contact the buyer after the auction .They need it more that godaddy.
I agree, just a bad day at the office, he needs to spend some of those millions, contact the actual domain owner and make a deal, and be done with this cry babe act.
I saw he is registering domains like gobaddly.com and putting TM beside it etc… just a rich guy with to much time on his hands, come on seriously grow up.
Yes, you get DomainKing worshippers, but the godly act is getting old now.
Are you saying it’s great because you can buy your own domains back in the auction cheaper than the $80 reinstatement fee? Just transfer the name to another registrar for $8.
Remember the $80’s you pay is not a Verisign redemption fee, it’s a Godaddy penalty fee. As long as the name is still in your account and not in redemption it can be transferred.
The rules are set . . . play by the rules or don’t play. Nobody is forcing you to bid on their auctions.
There’s more reasons to be upset about their auction system then this. Like the fact that they aren’t going through the “normal” deletion process
What are you talking about? He is upset about godaddy saying it ok to bid on your own auctions.
But you can’t bid on your own auctions. You might be able to bid on expired names in which Godaddy will get the proceeds but you can’t bid on your own “auctions”.
Pheenix had it’s own bot bidding to get the price to the reserve.
As far as godaddy expired inventory goes, I don’t see the benefit other than having the price recorded and then attempting to sell the name later. I was under the impression that the time frame to recover your domain after the auction was gone. In the past you still had a week or so to transfer the name or pay the fee after the end of the auction, but I think the names now transfer when the auction in complete AND PAID for, or the closeout is purchased.
You can’t bid on your own auctions and I have no way to tell who’s bidding on anything at Godaddy.
Also keep in mind that there is all kinds of inventory coming from other sources now. The Netfirms and Dotster resellers are nightmares, I’m sure auctions continue to the end that are no longer valid. They also resell for multiple registrars, the domain.com inventory should go through Godaddy, but I’ve had names go through the expired auction process that were tied to open SRS which is Tucows, that inventory should be going to Namejet, I think.
Good point, inventory coming from everywhere.
Exactly! Wonder why pheenix has gone so quiet now, disgusting!
Names are not moved to winning account until day 43.
I think the proper Seinfeld reference is Marine Biologist episode
“The sea was angry that day, my friends – like an old man trying to send back soup in a deli. “
The Domain King isn’t just talking about GoDaddy. He’s also tweeting about questionable and unethical auctions at NameJet. Example here: https://twitter.com/DomainKing/status/932192875550576642 | https://twitter.com/DomainKing/status/932196540894076929
The Domain King hashtagged shill bidding, referenced fromer GoDaddy VP domainsherpa regular Adam Dicker as the former GoDaddy VP, and seemingly warned GoDaddy that this will make mainstream news with the help of domainers. https://twitter.com/DomainKing/status/932067185236856835
I don’t know much about this GoDaddy thing. But I do know [for a fact] that some questionable bidding occurred at NameJet. And why seek and seafoodman are still allowed to bid on auctions is beyond me. There is a much bigger story to the NameJet bidding on your own domain scandal than many know, and when it comes out, it will be interesting to see how NameJet, and the domain community will react. Will it make mainstream news? IDK – I haven’t decided if I (or know if anyone else) will reach out to the mainstream media, nor do I know if mainstream media will pick up on the developing story on their own accord.
People have been ripped off, and namejet stays silent to this day, maybe it’s time to talk to snapnames lawyers, and start a class action against namejet as it is clear that multiple user ids were created to bid
Perhaps the US federal government should hear about that place……
Go read the review Rick gave to Adam Dicker on https://www.linkedin.com/in/thedomainking/: “I have known Adam for a good 10 years. He has unselfishly given his time and expertise to over 100,000 members of his forum. The only true domain name forum on the Internet. Adam knows the industry from many sides and that makes him one of the most qualified people in the world of domaining. Besides that, Adam is a good and trusted friend.”
That’s live on Rick’s profile!!!!
You are right, Rick talked also about questionable and unethical auctions at NameJet, something I’ve already mentioned here in the recent past.
Many players (domain investors, bloggers, etc) in the Domain Industry are silent because of their conflicts of interest … and sometimes also collusion with NJ …
But this can of worms will be opened the same … fraudsters can run but they cannot hide … 🙂
A class action and a FBI investigation (online shill bidding is a wire fraud) is the right way, go ahead and make it happen, it’s time for ACTION!
This blog post surprised me a bit. I think the domain king was too busy these days with bitcoin and blockchain to be bothered with this domain stuff. The godaddy auction rules have been the same forever so not sure why Rick is getting upset now. It’s 2017. Enjoy your retirement, man.
He is just short tempered, Godaddy is not the small mom, and pop you remember from 2005, it is a $10B juggernaut now.
Intercosmos Media Group (noldc / kenyatech / zipa / directnic) still at their tricks, eh? Nothing has changed in a dozen years….. Google it….. TONS of stuff still out there about those guys.
Domain industry needs regulation and I HATE regulation. Thats how badly I believe it needs it.
GoDaddy auctions should have bidder id’s, but it will not solve anything as NameJet has bidder id’s and sketchy things still happened there.
Unfortunately, there is no domain name marketplace that has a clean record.
If you complain about the Real domain business and how things are done, just GTFO!!! ahahahahahahahahaha!!!! I mean who really cares if an old domainer start whining about public auctions!! LOL!! He should leave that to newbies, show some experience for god sake!! And he should NOT humiliates worldwide on twitter like he does!! ahahahahahahahahahaha!!
If he doesn’t like public auctions, DONT BID ON PUBLIC AUCTIONS!! end of the problem!! LMAO!!! and please stop harassing GoDaddy employees, they just are doing their job!! don’t annoy them by nonsense phone calls!!
That’s why nobody likes old fart domainers!! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!
Doesn’t he act like Donald Trump, instead of dealing with the issue, just starting going off?
I think this whole make america great again has gone to his head!
I guess Jeff Flake represents Godaddy in his district, lol
Stop bringing politics into something that was never being discussed to begin with. In that sense – you’re no better than the people you’re complaining about.
You’re kidding – with all of your hahaha stuff, right? IF there is bidding on your own auctions going on then that is wrong. If you’re in support of that then perhaps people need to steer clear of your little facebook page selling you junk names. As far as “old fart domainers” go — that particular one, among many others, has paved the way for you and other “newbies” to be in this business. You’d probably never have attempted it if it werent for Rick, so grow up. If you dont like him spouting out then find safe-place to go hide.
Jill, Paved the road, come on, cue the violin, he has done lots for the industry, but at the end of the day everyone takes care of themselves first. I admire your loyalty, Bow to your king!
I just received this email from GoDaddy:
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Good morning,
We are making a change to our domain name expiry process and wanted to give you enough notice to make decisions on your portfolio. GoDaddy is changing the domain renewal timeline from 42 to 30 days for most domains. Based on our research, less than 1% of our customers renew after 30 days.
Starting Dec 4, the following changes will happen to expired domain names:
• After Day 5 of expiration, DNS, email, hosting, redirecting and any other DNS-dependent services will be interrupted and stop working.
• After Day 30 of expiration, domain names are no longer able to be renewed or transferred away.
We wanted to give a heads -up so you have enough notice to make decisions on your portfolio. As always please don’t hesitate to reach out with any questions.
Thanks,
**** ****
Go Daddy LLC
Premier Services
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I think we need Rick to talk about their other issues/bugs as well to get their attention.
Rick Schwartz has made his millions so I think he should just take a chill pill and enjoy life 🙂
Rick Schwartz godaddy a huge favor, he gave them cover for implementing this whole scenario, couldn’t have worked out better.
I think that its BS that godaddy pulled this stunt giving domainers a few days to get all their domains within 30 days up to date, My manager claims that this has been in the works and has nothing to do with the ”CRYBABY ZILLIONAIR” The real reason behind this is the mass exodus to registras such as porkbun and namesilo ,who offer free privacy at half the registration price , What I hear is no one can contact the owners of these domain because of that reason and they are starting to eat godaddys lunch. What I feel is the next step for godaddy is to offer free privacy for domainers, or people with over 20 domains which will hide even old whois records. This had nothing to do with ,No doubt these companies will be bought out by godaddy , I think we can make more money on godaddy stock than on domains,I see all this bad for us and great for the shareholders.
I would also like to add that i do have almost a thoisand shares in the stock and also quite a few deep intrinsic. Calls .As a shareholder o love what their doing as a domainer i think they should giv3 more warning or notice to the people who got them here.Godaddy has been pushing staff to up sales.They have been squeezing the lemon pretty hard so every quarter they are going to get a fresh fruit to squeeze .this 30 day rule will cause a blowout in the stock probably by 50 percent by the end of jan. .Then more amo will be applied. My gut says it will be bought out.if you look deep into what really is involved here 10 billion would be chump change to pay for this cash cow with built im tech customers.