Rick Schwartz published the results of the poll he took last week on topics ranging from readers thoughts of his blog, to what they thought about the new gTLD program in a post entitled Rick’s 2013-2014 Poll Results. What They Mean and Pointed Commentary.
As many as you know Mr. Schwartz and I are good friends and fellow Sherpa’s on DomainSherpa’s Live weekly show, actually there are few people in the industries opinion I value more than Rick’s but I have to call BullSh*t on the meaning Rick tried to interject into the results of his poll.
Lets be clear
I have no problem with Rick taking a poll in any manner he see’s fit
But its his reporting of the results and trying to extrapolate any meaning of the results that I have an issue with.
94% of readers voted that Rick’s Posts about gTLD’s have been Fair and has brought up good points
Of course they do.
I actually agree with the results.
Rick has a great blog full of information and opinions.
Its one of the must reads for anyone investing or thinking about investing in domain names.
I think Rick is fair.
How do you define fair?
He writes what he believes and believes what he writes.
That is the most you can ask of any blogger.
To give you their honest opinion day in and day out.
You can’t expect anyone to be right 100% of the time when a Baseball Hall of Famer only needs to get a hit 1/3 of the time.
Could you pay Rick to write positively in something he doesn’t believe in or write something negatively on something he does?
No
I would say the same thing for the most read domain bloggers.
Andrew, Kevin, Elliot, Myself
You can’t pay any of us enough for us to write something positively that we don’t believe in.
The only new extension that advertised on my blog in 2013 was .Pw
I didn’t register one
I didn’t suggest that anyone register one.
If you did good for you if you didn’t good for you too.
The fact that 90% of the respondents to a poll think any major stakeholder would whore themselves out for a few bucks, well its more a statement about themselves than about those that are in the business of blogging who put themselves out there everyday with their Johnson in their hand.
How many men have you heard udder a statement to the effect “if they were a women they would be the biggest whore of all time”?
I’m sure most of you have heard it.
Its easy to say but when it come down to having sex with a 300 pound guy with a $100 in his hand, just like putting your life long reputation on the line for a few bucks a $1,000 advertiser or a $25,000 advertiser its not going to happen.
Maybe you would do it but I wouldn’t and the professionals I know wouldn’t do it either.
Sorry
Rick wouldn’t do it for any amount of money
Andrew, Kevin, Elliot, knowing them like I do, will tell you to go fuck off.
Do you know how many emails I have gotten over the years asking how much I would charge to write a post about them or their product?
Hundreds
You know how many offers I accepted?
None
Would you?
When I went to college about 1,000 years ago I was a political science major and one of the only valuable topics they covered was the art of polling as it related to political campaigns.
When I started writing TheDomains.com I was one of the first domain blogs to start polling the readers for their opinion.
You might have noticed while I have done over 100 polls I don’t report on the results of polls and never expected a valuable majority opinion, at least one I would act on or report on.
So I found Ricks reporting on his Polling results to be problematic.
For one don’t ask your readers if they like your opinion or think your reporting is fair and balanced.
Of course they do.
No one agrees with anyone 100% of the time.
But if your a Republican your not going to watch MSNBC for hours a day, day after day, and if your a diehard liberal you’re not going to watch Hannity or Bill O’Reilly every night on Fox.
No one wants to hear or read something they wholeheartedly disagree with day after day.
Its not human nature.
So if someone watches you or reads you, they basically like what you say or at lease respect what you write about.
All the question related to Ricks Blog therefore become, well just silly.
Sorry
Of course the readers think you have a reasonable opinion and are fair and balanced and a good writer.
No poll questions are necessary.
If they didn’t think that way they wouldn’t read you and certainly not the take the time to respond to a poll
As for what readers think of the new gTLD’s well the results are equally silly.
How many new gTLD’s will you buy into:
71% said none
But what if Google wins the auction for .app or .Web and then offers domains for free, like computer.web or buy.app how many domainers would not “buy into” the new gTLD and register one for free?
Zero
None
Zip
Every domainer, or want to be domainer on earth would register as many free new gTLD’s and quickly as they could.
Those answering the poll with a “no” would knock down their grandmother to get a great new gTLD domain for free.
Also human nature.
Don’t believe me just Google “Black Friday Walmart fights” and see what comes up.
Its not right but its human nature.
So this is the most important question Rick asked in this poll but did not refer to in his results:
So 67% of all responders to Ricks Poll own less than 1,000 domains.
Maybe 10 domains, maybe 100 domains, maybe 500 domains and maybe 999 domains.
However logic dictates, especially when people are asked to self identify themselves. they go high, not low and that 70% of those responding to the poll own just a few domains.
If you just own a few domains you should not,be a big player in the new gTLD space where pre-registrations are going for up to $12,500 a piece for an extension that doesn’t exist with an unknown value.
There are a ton of issues with Ricks Poll but I’m not going to Nick and Pick with each question and each answer.
My only issue is no one could, or should take any of the results of these questions seriously.
If your a domainer, you are going to register a great new gTLD domain name if you can.
Not one legitimate domainer in the world is going to tell me they wouldn’t register night.club or condos.nyc or joint.ventures, or visit.london or fantasy.football for a registration fee if they could.
Now shut up and get back to work.
I love you too!
The time Mike and I spend together is usually time spent arguing about domains. There is never a winner and never a loser. Just an exchange of views and ideas. That’s the road to answers. And we both make points. We both acknowledge those points.
I guess it is Schwartz vs Berkens on DomainSherpa this week. I am sure we can have Michael Cyger carve out 5-10 minutes on the after show for us to kick this dead.horse around. 🙂
Asking friend and foe if I have been fair on a subject is not bullsh*t. It is setting myself up for a result I might not like. It was a risk. I needed to know how folks viewed what I was saying out there.
One man’s Bullsh*t is another man’s Treasure. 😉
“You can’t pay any of us enough for us to write something positively that we don’t believe in.”
I believe that. Not sure all readers do.
There is this peception out there deserved or not. Perception is reality.
So I would not shoot the messenger. The question should be why is that perception out there? Maybe some bloggers need to be sensitive to that percption. Me included.
“You can’t pay any of us enough for us to write something positively that we don’t believe in.”
Speak for yourself… 🙂
Both of you have extremely valid points when it comes to new gTLDs and any investor worth being called that would be well served to listen to you both.
That said, I’m extremely bullish about newgTLDs, but am I investing money yet? No.
I’m not pre-registering anything, neither do I plan to, fairly pointless blocking up cash on maybes.
Will I in the future? Probably, based on what is available and for how much.
After all, most of my limited success with domains has come from cctlds, no reason to not try the same with a select set of newgtlds, even if it’s a gamble, isn’t all investing a gamble to some extent?
“every domainer, or want to be domainer on earth would register as many free new gTLD’s and quickly as they could.”
Several years ago when eNom gave me a FREE “.info” for every one of my 7500 or so .com’s I had at the time – when I found out about it after the fact they were given concise instruction to cancel every f*cking one of those I think was the terminology used 🙂 ANd they obliged a few days later.
“But what if Google wins the auction for .app or .Web and then offers domains for free, like computer.web or buy.app”
what is the renewal price after a few years when someone tries to build a business around one of the new non.com’s – not cheap I am sure.
In the end ALL the money is in selling the new non.com’s – not using them – otherwise Frank and others would not be in it.
LOL!
right on. i read that poll and results (and most posts from the last year for that matter) and it sounds like someone enjoys being the status quo.
dotCOM is now the status quo…. and thats cool, thats where the money is at.
but if a person thought that way back in the 1990’s and even had a tiny sliver of the attitude i read in recent years that wouldnt be a visionary, you’d sound like some disgruntled newspaper mogul enjoying the status quo and dissing the internet and new things.
yes we know, .COM means internet. but the type of flailing and resistance going on now is painfully obvious… people dont constantly talk about things that have no effect on the them. they just dont.
downplaying the effect gTLD will have while constantly talking about them…hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm… at VERY LEAST people are downplaying that they are worried or at least CURIOUS what will happen this time around… read between the lines of peoples forum posts and blog comments and you will see it.
people “high fiving” each other about the potential failure of gTLD’s and maintaining the status quo… very frat boy like, very cult like.. very………..not open minded.
its similar to how people talk about sports teams, religion, politics…. go TEAM go.
ask yourselves why people who preach “failure is part of success” are now using that same failure thing as iron-clad evidence the gTLD wont work out to any degree.
wait, what the hell happened to failing 100 times before you find that success ingredient.
AH HA. gotcha.
people need to stop getting distracted by the specific sports team and go make some money (or go lose some money but there is money being thrown in the air – go catch some)
ontheinterweb – so what skin – not words – do you have in the game
@BrianWick
um, i own a few dozen “gTLD” that are already out. other than that nothing.
im sitting here in my underwear drinking coffee posting my honest thoughts on a domain blog. in about 10 minutes im probably going to smoke some marijuana.
the coffee + the wake and bake is pretty cool. i recommend it.
what are you doing today? who is paying you to post what you post?
Mike being that you run a blog with many readers, you know your reader base. you know that not everyone is a “domainer”. Its small & large business people, investors, domainers, entrepreneurs, etc. Actually if you run a high traffic domain blog as yourself, you guys probably have some of the most diverse traffic on the web. It was a good poll IMO. A good sampling that provides more info on how people that invest in domains. are thinking. Its more informative than the bs figures 1&1 puts out about gtld pre regs.
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Rick’s poll, I believe, sorta resulted out of the discussion on his blog of .com being dead (or not).
As an old man, Mark Twain famously said “the reports of my demise have been greatly exaggerated”.
He actually died a few years later.
Obviously .com will never outright dry up and completely die. Even .su hasn’t died and the Soviet Union is long gone.
But: we ARE living in “peak .com”… plus or minus a year…
I really do not think “the powers that be” think that .com is somehow benefited by new TLDs (from traffic or whatever reason), because if they did, then why did they delay this vast expansion of new TLDs for 15 years? If you think .com is in its ascendancy, then stop selling .coms – buy more!
I, for one, don’t think it is. I think .com is in (or soon will be in) RELATIVE decline.
Why?
I think names in the new TLDs are better than names in .com. They are shorter, more meaningful, more memorable, more specific, more unique.
They have more affinity. Its a fact that people have affinity to “church”, “family”, “club”, “gay” and yes horse lovers have an affinity to “horse” and for pizza companies “pizza”.
Who, really, has affinity to the string “com”?
Folks really don’t *want* to be in .com. Because up till now, unless they are a “biz” or a “tel” or an “info” or a “museum”, they have to. They really have no other choice. There are no TLDs for which they have any affinity whatsoever (except, if they live in Germany lets say, in which case, they’ve got one other one – .de, and btw, they pick .de over .com). Until now.
Look at .AU. Before Australia liberalized its rules (so that anyone can get one), .com had huge market share in Australia (lets call it 90%), after .AU was opened-up, just the opposite happened – now .AU has 90% and .com 10%. Apparently people there have an affinity to “AU” over “com”. I suspect people in New Zealand have an affinity to “Kiwi” vs “NZ” vs “COM”. And country affinity is just one type of affinity. Each of us is more than just a citizen of a country. We are members of a church, a company, have a hobby, a specialty, an occupation, a family member, a pet lover, and any type and shape of other human endeavor or activity.
New TLDs are why I sold my .coms (such as clear.com) years ago (I thought new TLDs would’ve come sooner). I imagine that is why others are selling their .com’s now. I love the, lets say, unconventional Rick-polling-method, so if he included me in that “poll”, then I’m marked down as having abandoned .com (also since donuts uses “.co”).
But forget a survey/poll, BS or not: how about getting some real data?
Find out how many folks reading this thread (or Rick’s) are selling their portfolio .coms to people not reading these posts, and compare that to the same thing a year ago, and then do it again next year.
Just look at which names are trading, and from whom and to whom. Look at, for example, are the professionals selling their .com names that contain a new TLD substring? Like “web”? “flowers”? “bet”? ‘tours”?”power”? “club” “pizza” “shop” “tennis” “green” “golf” “house” “cloud”?
Here is just the most recent list of weekly sales: http://www.dnjournal.com/domainsales.htm
Even “bike” is on the list, and that’s only this week’s few top sales which were made public.
If they are selling such names (I believe they are), are they selling them to other professionals (people “in the know”), or to people clueless new TLDs are soon approaching?
Ask yourself would tennisweek.com sell for $10K when tennis.blog, tennis.report, tennis.today, tennis.news, news.tennis week.tennis, weekly.tennis, usa.tennis and on and on are available for much less? Its econ 101: more supply will put downward pressure on the price. Plus, names in these new TLDs are shorter, more unique, more memorable, and more appropriate (in this case) for someone with an affinity to tennis & reporting, than tennisweek.com. Those in the know have figured it out, no matter what they *say* in a poll. Track what they are *doing*.
I believe there are more .com portfolios selling now to folks who don’t know what’s coming, than ever before.
That’s your REAL “poll” results.
Rick I’ve known you for, what?,10 years since first meeting you at the first (or was it 2nd?) TRAFFIC conference and one thing I think we can both agree on is the permanence of the domain name space and all the huge opportunity that is still out there and is yet to be tapped. But as a friend, don’t be fooled with mistaking domain name system permanence with the permanent supremacy of any TLD, even “peak .com”
Rick’s poll was not scientific. It does have a large margin of error. However, it is the first in-depth poll conducted in an attempt to determine consumer buying behavior of the new gTLDs. As such, it provides some very useful information.
17% of those who participated said they would buy into 5 or more gTLDs, and 12% said they would buy into 10 or more. That’s 29% who said they would buy into gTLDs. Most of the participants of the poll are domain name investors, and over 1/4 of them said they would buy into gTLDs. So there is a market for them at the investor level. The question is, will there be a market for them at the end user level?
21% said they will spend 1k to 5k, 2% will spend 5k to 10k, 4% will spend 10k to 25k, and 5% will spend over 100,000k. At this stage that represents robust spending. If a few of the gTLDs become adopted and used quickly those numbers will change dramatically quickly.
So the poll does show that the gTLDs do have a snowballs chance in hell. What concerns me is that they are being positioned as a cheaper alternative for startups. My research shows me that is not true, and please refer to my post on Rick’s blog for my reasons why.
The correct marketing approach should be to position the gTLDs as a complement for existing businesses to use to augment current marketing efforts.
Paul, I recently posted something similar here – http://www.mwzd.com/domain-names/have-premium-coms-crossed-their-sell-by-date/
The question people need to ask themselves is whether buyers will pay massive premiums for keywords in .com that will be available in new extensions at much lower costs.
I think a lot of sellers today seem to agree with this logic, which is why you see a whole slew of never seen before domains up for sale at domain brokers and events.
Patrick
“”Most of the participants of the poll are domain name investors, and over 1/4 of them said they would buy into gTLDs.””
How do you know that?
Ramahn in a comment before your’s say
“Mike being that you run a blog with many readers, you know your reader base. you know that not everyone is a “domainer”. Its small & large business people, investors, domainers, entrepreneurs, etc. Actually if you run a high traffic domain blog as yourself, you guys probably have some of the most diverse traffic on the web.”
So he is telling me the voters are not domainers.
your telling me the voters are domainers.
neither of you know
I don’t know and Rick doesn’t know
Which brings me back to my political Science Major and the theory of poll taking and the point of my post which is its one thing to take a poll, quite another to draw any conclusion from it
@Stahura,
How time flies!
It wasn’t even a two months we were here postulating what range the single letter, and premium names Registries/Registrars will slap on nGTLD stringed names.
You not only ‘guessed’ $135 for e.bet, you offered it to Schwartz!
The results are in. We see the prices for even the most abominable domain names on earth in the thousands of dollars.
My question, can you explain how you can be so off?
Paul,
I understand your viewpoint on peak .com. But many of the data points you bring up, even if we could get the data, wouldn’t tell us anything about what’s going on right now.
If “peak .com” refers to the number of registered .com domain names, then you may be right. The power that be that pushed against new TLDs was Verisign. Will this hurt their business? Will marginal .com domains be dropped? There’s a good chance. But that doesn’t mean anything about the better .com domains.
As far as others selling their .com’s now, I haven’t seen any evidence of someone dumping .com’s on the market. Even if someone wanted to do it, it’s hard to dump domain names. They’re fairly illiquid. There has always been more supply than demand from this standpoint.
So what if a domain that included “bike” was on the sales list last week? They’re on the sales lists all the time.
Many people are certainly willing to sell domain names now at lower prices than 5 years ago. I think that has a lot to do with the downfall of parking. Domainers don’t have as much money to buy domain names, and they can’t make as much money from sitting on them, either.
Whether someone would prefer tennis.news to tennisweek.com, it’s a tough question. Right now I’d take tennisweek.com in a heartbeat. If .news and the other extensions become popular, that might change. Affinity is one thing, confusion is another. Until user behavior changes, there are significant risks to operating a site on a non .com. I talked to one TLD applicant that told me he’d prefer to have the second level .com of some of the strings he’s applied for than the top level.
You’re example of .au is a great one for your viewpoint, and I think people should investigate that one more.
“ou’re example of .au is a great one for your viewpoint, and I think people should investigate that one more.”
@Allemann.
The .au example could also work against the nGTLD standpoint in the sense that names such as the ones below will be flying off the shelves, if not the hottest property right now:
be.au
bordere.au
bure.au
chate.au
cote.au
coute.au
fabliau
flambe.au
jambe.au
land.au
lu.au
mante.au
nouve.au
pil.au
plate.au
portmante.au
ronde.au
roule.au
rousse.au
table.au
trousse.au
Paul
Always a pleasure to have you on board
“I think names in the new TLDs are better than names in .com. ”
“They are shorter, more meaningful, more memorable, more specific, more unique.”
Paul its not going for me or you to decide, its going to be the public, the consumers to decide.
I just had this discussion with another fan of our now miserable Florida Gators.
Is Will Muschamp a good coach or not for the Gators?
As I told my friend its not for me or him to decide its for the players to decide.
If the best high school players in the country want to play for him then he is a great coach if they don’t want to play for him and go to another school then he is not a great coach.
So at the end of the day the consumers will choose if they want a .com or a .church
Personally, and we have had this discussion in person. I think the new gTLD guys that are charging a four and five figure annual premium renewal fees are going down the wrong path.
When you can pre-register a .ventures domain for $12,500 or buy a .com with the word ventures in it for a few thousand well the .com looks a lot better.
When you can register a .ventures domain for a $1,000 annual registration fee for the rest of your life or buy a .com for $10k the .com looks better.
So In my opinion although it has nothing to do with the post at hand, you guys are pricing yourselves out of the market.
We can argue all day if “.church”, “.family”, “.club”, “.gay” “.horse” and/or .pizza are better than .com but its the price vs. value that’s going to carry the day with the consumer.
.Club since you mention it is shooting for a retail registration cost of under $10 with no annual premium renewals in the hundreds or thousands of dollars.
Donuts is taking pre-registrations at $12,500 for a domain that’s not reserved in any extension that never existed.
Not a fair comparison.
The initial argument for new gTLD’s was that all the good domains were gone, there was nothing left unless you went into the aftermarket and spent a lot of money to get a good domain.
Now the new domains as you are pricing them are more expensive than the good (old) domains, Established domains, the established brand.
I think you are screwing it up.
@Paul
GLTDS are nothing new .travel is an awesome extension, .us is under stated, .info explains everything, .biz is business… I can purchase most undeveloped premium words in this extension for pennies on the dollar compared to a .com/.net, why is that?
They have been out for years, Joe Small Business is aware, do you think they give a rat’s ass about it, NO… they are worried about paying their employees, keeping their business running, and trying to survive…
The biggest GTLD cheerleaders have a huge financial burden on their backs, and it doesn’t pan out, they will take a huge hit. They have reason to sell their snake oil, even though it is $12,500 oil… Given what I have seen so far from some of the pre lease gtlds, they are not attractive to the average business, or domainer for that matter… No clear set renewal pricing, bad english keywords being attempted to be sold for thousands… who will support this… Certainly not the domainer who has supported every extension since it has been released… It takes years for extensions to be understood by Joe Public… they have a life, they do not care about domains…
I am sure some of these guys are finding out how their pre-register numbers for the past few months, are converting to pre-register numbers when you have to put a credit card down, and they are not to happy.
Michael,
Some data is better than no data even if it is skewed, especially if you are investing thousands of dollars. You are right in that not all of Rick’s readers are domain name investors, but a large percentage are. I would interpret the data using the assumption that the participants consist of domain investors, business owners, and employees in companies who have the ability to influence or make buying decisions.
I believe some valuable insights can be made from this data. We know that over 25% of the participants will buy into at least 5 or more gTLDs. We know that 9% of the participants plan on spending over $10,000 on gTLDs. How comfortable would you feel investing thousands of dollars on new gTLDs if that figure was zero percent?
I appreciate Rick’s effort and the data he was able to provide. Anyone who invests in the new gTLDs should be very concerned about their pricing and positioning. These factors will have a profound effect on how they are ultimately adopted and used by end users. Startups should not be led down a path where they are told it is cheaper to use a new gTLD, because they are over priced right now and if the gTLD fails it will be very costly to have to start from square one again. The gTLDs should be honestly positioned as a complement to existing marketing efforts, a tool to augment the existing marketing channels of a corporation.
Domain.Hacks Sucks.
.com is the .Less. Its the “L” in the word “Salmon”. We don’t pronounce it!.
.Whatever are limited. .com is the freedom. You can build any kind of site and use any keywords you want.
If I own a brand that sells various Items. I would want the .com first. I don’t even understand why company want their own TLD.. Google.Google? search.Google? why not simply use Google.com?
New gtlds are like ccTLDS. .ca is only for Canadians. .club is only for “clubs”. its great but the .CA owner as been craving for the .com since he build is site.
Do we use the coma at the end of a phrase or in Coma Middle?.
saying gTLD is “limited” when there are gonna be thousands of them is a completely retarded statement.
@Domenclature.com and @Michael
I think you are referring to pricing during the first few days of Donuts’ land rush. Michael, that $12,500 figure is the price at least one registrar is offering to get in on day 1 of land-rush. And that is the maximum.
Wait a few days (literally), and the price drops to normal registration fees (premium or standard).
I still stick by my guess that e.bet and the like will go for in-the-hundred-dollarish/year range, no matter who ends up with that TLD.
More supply will lower prices. Its unavoidable.
200 TLDs x 26 single-letters x $1,000 each/year = $5M per year. Maybe on some single-letters, maybe some will be more than $1,000, but all of them? lol *especially* if Rick is right
Let alone 200 TLDs x 17,000 three-letter subdomains x $1,000 = $3.5 Billion!
Who knows for sure because new TLDs are more memorable, meaningful, specific, have more affinity etc (so there is more value there), but I think we can all agree that there is not THAT much demand for SLDs in the entire domain namespace – new & old TLDs plus aftermarket.
Even if there were just 1,000 (a small fraction of the 3-letters, lets say) premium names (in each of Donuts projected 200 TLDs) for $1,000, ($200M/year total) there still isn’t that much premium demand, imo.
Which is why I said if you are a registry and are relying ONLY on premium name sales and/or domainers, you will have a rude awakening.
IMO, domain-use is where its at, not domain-ers. Use. Use. Use. I agree with Michael, consumers (I think he’s using shorthand for consumers/businesses *using them*) will decide the matter. We want to sell the domains so they get used, not price them high so as to NOT sell them & NOT get them used.
Totally agree its the price/value ratio thats also key, new TLD, or old and tired TLD… and yes THAT will carry the day, as it does with any product.
@Andrew
Yes “peak .com” refers to the number of registered .com domains.
I disagree with your characterization re the selling of .com portfolio names. How many .com domains did Frank sell before he applied for new TLDs?
(answer is near zero, if not absolutely zero) How many after? (definitely non-zero) Not dumping – there will be time for that later. I agree with your illiquid point. Just gently ramped-up selling by knowledgable people.
I agree with the “downfall of parking” remark. But now-a-days the sellers are not selling to someone using it for parking, they are selling to end-users.
So why would parking’s collapse effect the prices negatively to THOSE end-user buyers as they are not buying them for traffic/parking, but for the SLD’s semantic content? What makes a “better .com name” (as you say) better? Its *traffic* (from links-in, including from google, or from type-in) and its *semantic* content (in the name itself, not the website). So names have two components for value 1) traffic value 2) semantic value. Any name with high traffic will have its traffic value unaffected in the short term by new TLDs (and I’m at risk with this statement depending on what Google does search-wise with new TLDs). Not the same with their semantic value component – new TLDs dilute that greatly in the short term.
Re the one applicant who’d rather have the TLD.com: I’m curious what that TLDs is, but fact is TLDs are changing hands (I’d say more than about 20 so far, with 3 more tomorrow) at much greater prices than even most of the very highest SLD.com’s are (and were, even in the .com aftermarket glory days).
@Samit
LMK & we’ll set aside “wizard.media” for you (I think you will use it vs your current mwzd.com)
@ontheinterweb I mean They will limited your site content to the site extension. I can currently build 100 diferent targeting website with one .com.
Patrick,
who gives a shit who is gonna do what. the poll is useless at this point in time and a virtual “pat on the back.”
what about the stories these lone-rangers tell of themselves from the 1990’s, about times where everyone laughing at them? their family members think they’re insane, none of their friends understanding, etc…
oooooooh but now in 2013 lets get it together and act professional and BE and MAINTAIN the status quo based on the “failures” (lol?) of past TLD’s….
following what other people are gonna do when NOBODY knows how this will end up is another thing that is completely retarded. using a precedent of .mobi .biz .info .travel just shows the disconnect in peoples minds.
why didnt the internet take off in like 1991 for example…. it existed then, so WHY NOT? there are real reasons but would you had been able to explain them to me so clearly in 1992? no.
Xavier Lemay-Castonguay,
DUH!
the world is limited. the guy selling tires isnt selling baked goods, wake up.
Guys like Paul and Frank are sharp entrepreneurs – teachers – it is just not my business model – so who cares – but in doing so they are making their .com’s and mine and YOURS worth that much more by selling stuff that may or may not ever be used. These guys have taken both sides of the fence. Seriously who has ever bitched about paying an extra $500 for a new set of tires every year – no one – and how many people change their tires ever year or 2 ? – it is genius.
Bri
Paul
So your answer seems to indicate that you don’t expect too many $12,500 registrations
So why offer it?
It just reinforces the naysayers
It just gives more ammunition to those that think the new gTLD thing is shady or a pure money grab.
No good can come from it.
Obviously I think new gTLD’s have a place, and can make there mark, but they have to compete in the market place against all the other new gTLD’s and existing TLDs including those premium domains that are owned and offered for sale by many readers of thedomains.com including its author.
I get the revenue numbers.
I have been chatting with people for years about how profitable a domain name registry can be right here although may times just talking to myself
@Stahura,
Thank you for the quick response. Please don’t combine your answer to my questions with a response for Berkens’; you’ve done it twice now, and it comes across like a rope-a-dope.
This is also the second time that you’ve tried to charm a critic of ngtld with a domain bribe (Samit for media.wizard, and Schwartz for e.bet), I find it interesting.
Please tell me why we should not consider Godaddy’s pricing structure a proxy for Donuts’ marketing strategy. $12,500 is outrageous, but not arbitrary. Why did you approve such a scheme? Or do you not have any control of what Registrars do in your name?
The term ‘domainers’ refers to anyone that sells domain names period. That name includes ICANN, Donuts, Godaddy, Berkens, Schwartz, me, you…
Do you disagree?
Thanks in advance.
”
Could you pay Rick to write positively in something he doesn’t believe in or write something negatively on something he does?
No
”
Michael Michael Michael,
You do know he promoted the porn mafia multi billing credit card scam websites dont you?
Stunning! There must be something screwy. I have been monitoring virtually all local news across United States via our two properties: AcrossUnitedStates.com and DomainingLive.com for any mentions of the now launching ngtld scheme; Guess how many times this thing has showed up on the news?
Yet, these operators are charging hundreds, thousands, and sometimes tens of thousands of dollars for ‘premium’ new gtld names?
Please tell me this is not the twilight zone. Are individuals or small businesses really going to fork over this dough to buy these things when they can register, or purchase a decent .com for a fraction of the money?
Don’t forget, the operators of .com are under obligation as far as when they can raise their fee by even a nickel; consumers are not stupid. There’s no way they will leave their asses open to these new gtld people to raise their premium domain prices at whim, especially when they start off so high.
So, I am hereby releasing my 4th secret barometer to measure the new gtld scheme: coverage by US local stations. After 6 months so far, nil!
“consumers are not stupid.”
LOL… oh ok.. we’re pretending consumers actually know what ICANN is?
right right… we can pretend that if you want. playing make believe is fun..
RE: coverage by local stations… when people say this and they’re not even out yet it makes me think they dont get very much sunlight. great barometer though!
Mike,
Here is my challenge to you and each blog out there.
Run the same poll. The wider it is the more meaningful it is.
Put it on the same 3rd party service I did so there is no control by anyone or it is not the same.
Compare the results.
You may call the results bullsh*t, but I choose to look at those results and know I have a lot more information.
It does not have to be scientific to have great value. It just needs to point you in the right direction.
I think Patrick Hipskind has it pegged the closest.
I not really agree with Michael.
I read more thedomains.com but agree more with Rick regarding new extensions.
Also, Michael is involved in new TLDs (e.g. .club and other ways) so I think Rick`s words are much more objective.
Where money is involved I do not believe M Berkens at all. I have seen many times where he took an advantage of the buyers when he knows who they were (e.g. meet.me).
Rick’s middle name is BullShit but if he’s dogging the new tlds, I’m down with that.
The “new tld’s” movie is fun to watch.
A lot of good points have been made. I believe we will survive this and dot com will rule for a long time. But, flashy trinkets (the new tld’s) have a large demograohic to play to. Watch for Google to jump in where ever revenue possibilities show up.
This group is a very large domainer brain trust and if anyone can maneuver through it I give the old fart club the odds. Some of us have 20 years in this business.
imho,
sc
Hey Steve –
Sorry I missed you at the last TRAFFIC show 🙁
I do not think this has anything to do with .com losing is spot as THE BRAND of the Internet. This is all about really savvy business guys like Frank, Paul and a handful of others (plus deep pocketed investors) selling stuff that people will buy because they do not have a .com – and in doing so making a lot of money at the same time making their own .com portfolios and our .com portfolios worth that much more.
The vast majority of these non.com’s will just sit on a mantle as conversation pieces – but will be renewed every year – and that is why these guys got into it…
Paul
You do know that Mr. Schwartz was my partner in Meet.me and we sold the domain together don’t you?
Also Mr. Schwartz knew who the buyer was for eBet.com which he sold for $1.35 million.
So your Saying you would take my advice about money issues more seriously if I sold domains for less money and therefore made less money.
Nah I think I will pass on that one.
“where he took an advantage of the buyers when he knows who they were ”
Well I take advantage of all buyers – whether I know them or not – that what you do in a free market
“barometer to measure the new gtld scheme: coverage by US local stations”
I contacted our local stations when we launched dotbigbang.org. Their responses were surprisingly similar: This story will break to the masses when it actually means something to consumers and users. This will likely occur when one of the big internet players makes a move to a new .tld. When google.com becomes anything.google or if(when imo) Amazon moves to .amazon.
While some of us who have been waiting for this felt that new tlds hitting the root would cause a big media surge, or when tlds launch, it doesn’t seem so. It will take a major player making the right.move before local and national consumer facing news coverage will happen.
Maybe that’s when Godaddy does a new tld super bowl ad, maybe it’s when the first .Ford, .gucci, .bmw ads start running. Whatever the tipping point is, it will happen.
Paul’s point about ‘affinity’ is a huge factor. When people hear of an extension that speaks to them, that speaks to their audience, they WANT it. And they’ll want to USE it. The industry knows this and is now developing publishing tools and services that will make creating an attractive, professional website as easy as Farmville.
The poll results? You may as well take an Obama approval poll at a Glenn Beck rally.
Sorry, Pigeon Shit
Paul, Frank has been selling domain names for a long time. It picked up around the same time domain parking fell.
So Tom,
You don’t think getting 28% of domainers saying they will invest in your gTLD’s is a real or even a good result at this stage?? Really? That was the main question.
See, that is why I think the chances of failure are so high. You folks with a vested interest that already drank the kool-aid disregard reality even with the reality is a fairly decent number. It could be at 0%. To dismiss as Pigeon Shit means you don’t understand numbers very well. What were you expecting? 101%?
>>Whatever the tipping point is, it will happen.
Wrong, no tipping point, won’t happen. Start figuring out the best time to claim your losses on your taxes.
@Domainer – That’s not what the TV producers are telling me.
It’s what common sense is telling me.
So Extraordinaira – I love the tipping point – laughing in fact:)
And Tom Gilles – I think I will be leaving my downtown Denver office right now and go for my usual 5-7 mile run around the auraria.com campus to the pepsi center to mile high stadium and coors field – all along the way breathing in enormous amounts of secondary marijuana smoke.
After my run concludes possibly maybe I will understand your “Tipping Point” or possibly I just may tip over
Brian
Denise King
In which post did Rick do that?
It’s interesting how Rick Schwartz never answers any of the posts about his affiliation with the porn mafia when considering he prides himself on being a take no prisoners type. Or is that only on his on blog where he can control the comments?
From what I understand thousands upon thousands of people were scammed by Rick sending traffic to adult membership websites that never allowed them to cancel after joining (hence the credit card scam, which was a unique set of circumstances in time for these people). And how Rick resorted to this after running out of adult webmasters to sell his “high octance traffic” to (his industry work associates, like you Michael in another world) after they lost literally millions of dollars accepting his word and promotion in regards to his high octanc traffic promises which could only be paid for upfront (and no one ever said anything for fear of being made an outsider, in a networking environment that relied on traffic deals from the big hitters) while the rest of the industry sold and bought traffic under an affiliate type program which paid per membership sold (a win win deal).
Michael, it appears the honour you are referring to in your post in regards to Rick Schwartz is yet again another version of the big hitter network Rick Schwartz has a history of surrounding himself in order to manipulate markets.
R. E. = ” From what I understand thousands upon thousands of people were scammed by Rick ”
@ Natalie Singer a nameless Google Bot or NOT a well respected LinkedIn member with any kind of credibility??
This is all heresay by an I understand BS statement. Who is trying to manipulate who ??
R. E. = ” Or is that only on his on blog where he can control the comments? ”
By the way ! Rick Schwartz does not Censor comments on his Blog like others you may know intimately.
Please give us your LinkedIn Profile ? OR dissappear like other Google Bot ghosts usually do.
Mike,
How about removing those slanderous comments unless they like to post his/her real name and contact info?
I never did a single credit card transaction in all the years I was in adult.
Never had a processing account. Never processed a single transaction.
This is all fabricated by a ghost.
A jealous ghost from far away that has a sickness.
Besides when a “man” posts with women’s names, then you just have to wonder.
Jeff,
I’ll give you your moment in the sun. But the flipside is you’re going to get burnt! HeHe
If you hear things you know something about or even dont have any direct involvement with and heear more about it
one starts to get a handle on what is a/ bs as you referred to, b/ probably true and c/ true.
So lets look at some of the points being made..
1. Rick was involved with the Aussie porn mafia credit card scams because he sold traffic to Dean Shannon.
Verdict: Fact
2. I’ve heard a number of stories (from reliable, semi and unreliable sources) about Rick Schwartz and his pre paid traffic deals and deals with the porn mafia and the stock market listed company that went bust as a direct result when the authorities closed or froze the company merchant account and as a direct result lost millions of dollars for thousands of shareholders when the price plummeted from 50 c down to 5c or there abouts just a week or two after Dean Shannon sold out of the company for millions of dollars.
Verdict: Probably true
3. I have posted comments on Ricks blog which have not been posted.
Verdict. Fact
4. The adult industry used fake schills to promote their businesses on adult webmaster boards.
Verdict. Fact
5. Rick Schwartz edits comments on his blog and posts fake schill comments supporting his agenda.
Verdict. Probably fact
6. The more Jeff Schneider posts, AND refers to Rick Schwartz, the more people wonder why?
Verdict. Fact on my part. Probably fact with other people
Rick,
You didn’t need any of that to send traffic to the porn mafia scams or take part in the other stuff.
A bit like saying you never owned a gun when defending you never sold guns to the bad guys.
Rick Schwartz = White collar criminal?
“RE: coverage by local stations… when people say this and they’re not even out yet it makes me think they dont get very much sunlight. great barometer though”! – ontheinterweb
@ontheinterweb,
You don’t learn about the Superbowl on match day, or even during playoff.
The heralding of the coming of the .com was a process, not an event; it enjoyed local, national, and international coverage. Your Butler, Japanese Gardener, & Chauffeur had both a tip, and an opinion on what names to grab.
That’s the competition, and the minimum standard.
@ Domenclature needs to post his disclaimer, that his best domain hosts a popular site which is a ccTLD that enjoys a new birth amid the talk and marketing of new gTLDs:
Soul.fm
boasting a great logo, a responsive theme, a big disco ball in the header! It’s huge! I like it better than Diddy’s
Revolt.tv
which is a beautiful site, but the culture of all the young up-and-comers out to exploit their fans for fast $$ that they can show off in furs, diamonds and jaguars, IS . . . revolting. I like old-school, Soul.fm better.
“the stock market listed company that went bust as a direct result when the authorities closed or froze the company merchant account and as a direct result lost millions of dollars for thousands of shareholders when the price plummeted from 50 c down to 5c or there abouts just a week or two after Dean Shannon sold out of the company for millions of dollars.”
Gee, and I was one of the ones that got a nickel and took a$2 Million bath in my retirement account on that stock.
That’s from the DIRECT SOURCE so you don’t need to make it up as you go along with your “Semi-Reliable” sources.
You could have saved me some coin had you come out back then. So now you have a choice in case facts mean anything to a ghost.
Ms. Natalie ??
Your #1 -6 Vendettas suggest a deep seated hate for the original Domainers that saw what you and your friends obviously missed, while contemplating the next medium you could manipulate.
You remind me of another group of manipulators that have an envious green monster complex. The totally legit, but morally bankrupt SEO Manipulators that google fully supports behind the scenes and vehemenently says they do not support. SEO is legally stealing traffic from all .COM Franchise holders through SEO manipulation and at the same time charging .COM Franchise Holders extortion fees. SEO Google thieves hate the Direct Navigation capabilities that ALL .COM Holders enjoy, and will do anything for Google to remain in charge of this Scam of major proportions. WHY ? Because a .COM Address Holder who has direct Navigation capabilities cannot be easily manipulated by the Google SEO pact shell game. Anyone who knows Online Marketing Strategy who do not swallow the Google Kool-Aid knows this. Their numbers are steadily waking up to the GOOGLE.COM Scam Game, and Google knows the jig is coming up for their extortion game.
Of course I know your mentality has a hard time understanding this let alone admitting to it. But I would bet you are one of the two or both or just clueless. For those who read this comment there are good reasons for you to ditch Google.com and take real control of your businesses future by owning and controlling a stake in the .COM Franchise mediums Strategic advantage in controlling and owning the only conduit to the worlds largest online transaction population ever devised.
Gratefully, Jeff Schneider (Contact Group) (Metal Tiger)
@Louise,
I thank you for the complimentary portion of your comment.
On the issue of ccTLD vs .whatever, I believe there’s a difference. Besides, I’m merely on a quest to find the truth, and logic behind why ICANN decided to go this route. My concern is not necessarily with the ‘Registries’, but with events that tend to balkanize the internet further. The internet should be a destination! A destination for commerce, education, research, fun and games, and myriad activities. The activities should vary, but it should be a meeting place, not rendered apart, and further apart by these various nomenclatures.
There’s absolutely no rhyme or reason why we have the introduction of over 700 ngtlds, none!
Rick
”
Gee, and I was one of the ones that got a nickel and took a$2 Million bath in my retirement account on that stock.
That’s from the DIRECT SOURCE so you don’t need to make it up as you go along with your “Semi-Reliable” sources.
”
All that means is that your partner in crime didn’t tell you when the shit hit the fan.
It’s called lay down with dogs and get up with fleas!
But you still made a fortune out of it, didn’t you? And at teh expense of thousands of people who got multi billed and innocent shareholders who lost millions.
So if Google abuses my traffic today without my knowledge or consent and some ghost comes out in 15 years and tells me some story that he got from some “reliable, semi and unreliable sources”, then I am responsible? I am the one that gets your ire? Is that your standard?
Of course facts and fairness are not of interest to you because you have “reliable, semi and unreliable sources” which FACTS could never measure up to and it would screw up your entire shtick.
”
So if Google abuses my traffic today without my knowledge or consent
”
Lol Just when you were on the verge of confessing.
Because you were getting paid multiple times what the traffic was worth and lived by the rule of “people lie, numbers dont”.
So no, I’m not buying it. Tell it to someone at a domain conference.
Personally, it is my opinion that you are the only one of the day that did not walk away a millionaire and since they are all long gone and retired and enjoying life, I am all ya got. Then you tried domaining and you failed at that as well.
Now that I drove a truck right thru your shtick and your sources, you are done and over with. Because you are not about being fair, you are about an agenda and you just got the facts. Now you and your shtick are outta business. Another failure.
This is what deep jealousy can do. How many years have you had this hair up your ass? Must be a rotten existence as a ghost that can no longer show their face or even their real name. I guess because if you used your real name everyone would just laugh and blow you off and tell you to get back to flipping those “Big Macs”.
Have a nice life.
Its 1999 December 31 and its 23h59. We are all freaking out. But in a minute we will realized that nothing as changed. The .com will stay the king and new gtlds will worth nothing.
“Lol Just when you were on the verge of confessing.”
I have had my own businesses (3 of them) over the last 32 years – made dough in all of them. I worked for the man my last 6 months in college and 6 month after I finally graduated with a d and a d- in my last 2 classes after 5.5 years. I never pointed my finger at anyone but myself when it came to challenges in business and life in general – my guess is Rick never did or has either. So rather than worrying about someone else “confessing” – maybe it is time that critics crawl out from behind a rock and “confess” that they are just wanker – i.e. pointing their finger at everybody but themselves.
And with that I will go back to the bathroom – fully naked – and point my finger at myself 🙂
So if I someone didnt join in the scam and make millions from it they’re a this and that and it justifies your actions?
This is as close to a confession as it gets. Unless you’re prepared to confess? Yes, No?
Then we can start on the next subject of the webmasters you ripped off with your over promised underdelivered pre paid traffic deals. People like the people you do the domain sherpa interviews with.
Brian,
People need to know about people like Rick Schwartz.
Take it or leave it.
But dont cheer like a fool if you dont know what you are talking about.
“The .com will stay the king and new gtlds will worth nothing.”
No – the correctly chosen new non.com strings / extensions will be worth a fortune to the owners and operators of those registries. As far as speculators – well in most cases you probably have a better chance of getting laid from a stripper who lies to you all night taking every dollar out of your pocket.:)
@ Domenclature, What song are these lyrics from?
Puts you there where things are hollow
What you need you have to borrow
What you get is no tomorrow
@Louise,
I can finally say “I don’t know” on a domain blog. 😉
N/B
There must be a punitive reason why you refuse to link your sites when you comment. I, too, have noticed evil effects from commenting on Berkens’ blog, as well as others. Please tell the real reason why.
Louise
David Bowie – in any context is good stuff
“What you get is no tomorrow”
sounds like the current thriving economy where the people that voted for change are getting burned the most !!
And there is an analogy to all the new non.coms.
Well said, Mike
Hi Rick,
I would say the same thing about a poll coming out of a New gTLD strategy conference. The results will be skewed due to the small sample size and makeup of respondents. if I were a registry, I would be pleased to see 28% from your poll. Though, I think the tiered price structures and early access programs will discourage investors for some names. Which, I think, is partially why it’s being done.
Domain investors wanting to get in on new gtlds should be watching for uniregistry strings they like to launch. They seem to be the most investor friendly. Most names first come first served at GA.
FTR – I think you make valid points regarding gtld acceptance and uptake scenarios, especially regarding ‘weakest link’ analogies. Success or failure of new extensions as a whole will ultimately be determined by consumers and sales. If there are major problems/events with some of the early gtlds it could damage consumer trust in most of the new extensions.
There’s a reason why Verisign is incentivizing registrars to insert their tagline ‘Powered by Verisign’ in their .com and .net ads. Best thing that could happen for .com is a technical failure or hack of a new gtld registry. New gTLD registries had better run a tight ship.
@brian – ‘tipping point’ was referring to news media and awareness of new extensions. The news won’t pick up the story until a major event affecting internet users broadly occurs. That isn’t delegation or launch, but when a major consumer facing operation thrusts it upon them. That could be a .Google move, or something else. Or, if something like registry technical failure or hack happens. But that why still nobody outside these circles knows about them yet.
@ Tom Giles: ” ‘tipping point’ was referring to news media and awareness of new extensions. The news won’t pick up the story until a major event affecting internet users broadly occurs. ”
Nice thought. How about if Fox news flashes FOX.YourExtension all day every day during their news casts? Would that count?
How about Bank Of America heavily promoting and using BofA.YourExtension? How about that?
How about dozens and dozens of globally known companies building, not just forwards, ALTERNATE WEBSITES on your extension?
Sound pretty good? If so you don’t know history, which is a problem.
What if a large group of domainers organized and helped promote your extension for free?
How about full written endorsement, and financial backing from:
Google?
Microsoft?
Visa?
Nokia?
Ericson?
Samsung?
Vodafone?
T-Mobile?
Sound like a ngTLD wet dream??? If so, your lack of history is a sad thing. All of that, and more, was .Mobi.
@ Domenclature said: “I can finally say “I don’t know” on a domain blog.” Shows my age! I’m dancing under the discoball on soul.fm to disco, so you should know that song.
“There must be a punitive reason why you refuse to link your sites when you comment.” It’s on there as long as the blog is live . . . Linking would affect the rep of my domains, so I’m considerate of their future reputations. But most of them are dot com – look up, Floating Stores dot com!
@ Brian Wick, “David Bowie – in any context is good stuff” good call what was its name? Whats your name whats your name whats your name . . . .
Seymour + Denise
You two Google Bots are like a greazy ring in a bathtub. No matter how hard you scrub you always show up again and again. Do’nt you two losers have another place to spit your venom? You are both classic losers, who cry wolf to gather sympathy for your illusionary grievences, you both seriously need help.
All domainers and domainer wannabees should read this from accent. I remember repeatedly warning noobs not to max out their credit cards buying worthless .mobis. Only a few that got in and got out fast made any money. In this .everything money grab there aren’t enough foolish domainers to go around so there won’t even be a get in and get out money making opportunity.
Here is a partial list of corporations that built free-standing websites on .Mobi. Some probably have been abandoned by now.
See how many of these companies you have heard of:
DietCoke.mobi
BMW.mobi
ESPN.mobi
Heineken.mobi
Fox.mobi
Marriott.mobi
DHL.mobi
Disney.mobi
Time.mobi
Ferrari.mobi
DolceGabbana.mobi
BofA.mobi
UniversalPictures.mobi
Cisco.mobi
FordCA.mobi
Iberia.mobi
ING.mobi
Hertz.mobi
MSN.mobi
NBA.mobi
Maxim.mobi
JaguarXF.mobi
Purina.mobi
Weather.mobi (Weather Channel)
VolvoCars.mobi
TheTimes.mobi
Xbox.mobi
Fidelity.mobi
FoxNews.mobi
Lufthansa.mobi
HSBCfrance.mobi
Zagat.mobi
Barclays.mobi
Castrol.mobi
WWF.mobi (World Wildlife Fund)
Deutsche-Bank.mobi
BenettonPress.mobi
axa.mobi
nypost.mobi
polo.mobi
BusinessWeek.mobi
Rolls-Royce.mobi
GreenPeace.mobi
Michael,
Where are my comments? And where is Seymours last comment?
White collar crime should not be dismissed or covered up Michael just
because you’re feeling like Rick may not like you anymore. Boo hoo, I thought you
were your own man, a leader. But no, instead deleting the above comments make you
part of the problem.
Why are you protecting Rick Schwartz? Do you think he is your friend?
Do you think Rick Schwartz is an ally?
For what exactly?
So you can be invited to talk on a stage at a domainer conference?
Grow up and get a set Michael and please re post my comments and Seymours comments.
Denise
Its about there is a proper place and time and amount of comments on a topuc
I gave you a forum to speak about something having nothing to do with me or my post, Mr. Schwartz responded enough of off topic crap.
I don’t run any domain conferences so your asking the wrong guy about whether you can speak or not at one.
I also sent you an email to you to explain why your comments were removed
Michael,
Judging by your comments you either haven’t followed the thread or read my comment closely enough (and Seymours) to know what is off topic, what is crap and what is the appropriate number of comments! OR you are a bullshitter yourself and part of the problem.
And if you’re not, what do two comments in relation to the matter matter so much to you?? (a thread that was started by you, continued by you, Rick Schwartz and various other posters.
Denise
You said
You do know he promoted the porn mafia multi billing credit card scam websites dont you?
I’m just asking if he did it on his blog point me to the posts.
If your just making a bear allegation then that’s a different matter
however Rick isn’t running for president of the US and my post was about a poll he took on this blog so I have no idea of how anything your talking about is relevant to my post or his post about polling
Michael,
Your thread topic ranges from Rick posting a bullshit poll to his integrity.
And guess what, all threads evolve in case you didn’t know 🙂 from the seed you plant and numerous posters got involved after my initial comment. Yet in full knowledge of this, you made the decision to later delete a couple of posts from one side of the discussion only, which whether you like it or not implicates you.
But if you don’t want to be implicated all you have to do is re post the posts and remain neutral. Simple.
thanks I will pass.
Happy Holidays
There you go folks.
And people wonder why this country is in the position it is today.
Well well well
It appears not all is as some would have you believe
Seymour
What we appear to have are “three” people all being from Australia all using an google+ account to log into thedomains.com which is completely blank, no information, no profile and no other activity other than posting on thedomains.com and seemly set up solely to comment on thedomains about some alleged activity of Rick Schwartz on something having nothing to do with the post itself.
So yes under these circumstances your comments will continue to be deleted.