Frank Schilling just posted a new article up on his blog, entitled “There Are No Accidents” and while we don’t usually cover other domain blogs, Frank now posts just a few times a year and they are always well written in a way only Frank can do it.
On the topic of not blogging very much, Frank said:
“When I’m blogging, I’m not innovating. Blogging is an opportunity to vent and reflect, but when you’re venting and reflecting you’re not growing.”
On Domainfest:
“It was terrific and weird going to Domainfest this January – so many new faces full of hope and ambition. That was terrific.”
It was weird being the elder statesman of the show. I actually signed autographs – that was weird. All those new folks have found “THE BEST” space in which to make a living””
On the Domain Industry:
“”This business still offers opportunity like no other! So many un-mined veins.
“There are just 200 million names registered for 7 billion people (and 500 million businesses) to share.”
“My nephew Rylan’s coming of age reminds me that the 7billionth child will be ready to set up her new email address in 10 short years. Number 7 billion will have a different spectrum of names from which choose, but judging by Rylan’s reaction to the gift of Rylan.net – they will still covet the .com more than their ultimate choice””
Advice on your own domains:
“My advice for those in this space this year is to hunker down and work hard.”
” Rid yourself of problem names and names with no revenue. Do a better job managing your good names and pay your renewals out in advance”
On InternetTraffic.om
“If you’re a generic name operator who has not tried our platform, give us a try or at least make us aware of your portfolio so we know who you are, because we won’t likely have the time to deal with latecomers as we work to improve the fortunes of those who believed in us from the beginning, later in 2012.”
“Everyone in this space (whether they work with us or not) should have a pretty good year this year, but I hope to work harder than ever to unlock the value of the portfolios which we manage. I want to pay back those who believed in me and create a cycle of prosperity for those who had faith in me. If you thought last year was surprising, this year will floor you. All the changes we execute this year are designed to unlock the value and increase the cash flow of the generic name owners we support.”
but only for a few ones
You gotta love Frank and his optimism. I know I see and feel it everyday…BIG things are yet to come.
I see ads/commercials all the time and see the domain names and you gotta think where will all the future names come from? 10-20 years from now. The good .com names.
We are only in the beginning stages of the internet and domaining!
It was a welcome surprise to see Frank’s latest blog post in my email box this morning. Great to have an update from him on where the domain market is now and where it’s heading.
The hardest things to see are those which you can’t… right now! Thats is why faith and belief in self and what you are doing are so important!
Our company is end user committed and while the wait is frustrating I ann my team agree with FS that there are tons of domain names that will be used in future endeavors whether for growth protection or investment which are either not yet registered or available on the AfterMarket.
If not the domain industry what other industry is likely to be hopping any time soon?
Better question, What other industry product or service are people lining up to pay $185,000 to buy?
The future belongs to those who see it first and act on it!
He sure is putting a tasty-looking carrot in front of us with his hints of new ideas coming out of Google on how to monetize domains. 🙂
All I can say is, thanks Frank and InternetTraffic.com for raising the bar in this industry with your honesty and good intentions. It has had huge ramifications. Parked went out of business I believe mostly because of this, not so much because of Yahoo paying poorly. It also has forced the other parking companies to start playing and paying somewhat more fairly.
Frank’s been nothing short of a blessing to this industry.
I’d also like to thank his team also for it’s hard work and fast replies! They’ve been excellent.
“”This business still offers opportunity like no other! ”
When domains like QuadBike.com still drop (last week) and get missed by most of the big spenders there’s always a chance of finding a shiny little gem amongst the humongous trash heap of dropping domains.
Keep the faith….and patience !
Happy Hunting 🙂
QuadBike.com ended at Snapnames PD auction at $2306 one week ago but is still pending payment…
It is true that some of the big boys missed getting in the auction but the end price was higher than most if not all would’ve been willing to pay.
I agree with the theme though that great names are dropping and being missed by the big boys.
MailSorter.com was won for $353 at NameJet 3 days ago. That was a flippin’ steal (my proxy bid was 2nd highest bid).
RE: Rid yourself of problem names and names with no revenue.
I am sure that he has a huge number of great names with no revenue which he sold for huge amounts. Without exception all the names I sold for thousands had no revenue at all!
RL,
Great point. Apparently, not all names with no revenue were created equal as FS’ is greater than Joe Domainer’s.
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Speaking of hidden gems dropping and being missed, I would like to thank Bill and AvailableDomainNames.com for the list that was sent out right after the SuperBowl. I was able to pick up a name that gets 1,000 EXACT monthly searches and a $30CPC according to Google KWT.
Tony,
You got the name now so tell us then! Just being nosey mate.
@Paul J Kapschock said: “I see ads/commercials all the time and see the domain names and you gotta think where will all the future names come from?”
They’re coming from EmergingDomains and the other future trend domainers.
“It is true that some of the big boys missed getting in the auction but the end price was higher than most – > (if not all would’ve been willing to pay.”)
From what I’ve seen in the drops, I seriously doubt that. 😉
RE: All those new folks have found “THE BEST” space in which to make a living
FS has reached economies of scale beyod reach to all but few already successful in the industry he is in. Today it is easy to buy great names for a fraction of their potential price/value. But it is very difficult to sell them even to the right business. I cannot possibly learn anything from him or them that would help me to achieve a breakthrough without access to far greater resources than I currently have. I would advise anyone new to this industry to “make a living” elsewhere”.
there are some blog-posting domainers who for years have consistent said, “it’s too late. don’t get into domaining.”
we don’t know much about their success.
and then there’s one domainer who we know has been very successful who for years has consistently said there are still opportunities.
some folks really have a hard time thinking outside the box. for those folks seeing present and future opportunities is troubelsome. they can only see past opportuntities. and they can point out that “that was then, this is now.” whether they honestly believe that or whether they are being protectionist is anyone’s guess.
one can and should learn from the past. everyone should know what each sucessful domainer did. but to see the next opportunities one has to think.
it is probably true that schilling knows that someone else, a noob domainer, will eventually come along who will think of things he didn’t. he knows and acknowledges there are still opportunities. and he’s right.
but he also probably knows he is may not be the one to see _all_ of them. and when you have his level of success, how much motivation is there to innovate? he has made his fortune. the fact that, despite his amassed fortune, he can still innovate with new ideas is admirable.
and perhaps that’s why he reminds us that there are indeed future opportunities, especially for those with new ideas and a strong motivation to innovate.
the internet is in its infancy.
In 2012 and beyond, the road to domaining El Dorado is narrow, rocky and fraught with danger. Be careful of the advice you take from the people who arrived years ago, shouting words of encouragement from the comfort of their poolside chaise loung. They haven’t traveled the same path you will have to travel. There are still opportunities in domain names, but the intelligence curve breaks immeasurably harder today than it did than even 4 years ago.
With success defined as a profitable and prosperous living:
To have succeeded in domaining in 1999, you only needed a pulse.
To have succeeded in domaining in 2006, you needed to be reasonably clever.
The people who succeed now are no longer Horatio Alger. They’re the types of people who would (and in many cases, have) succeeded in whatever competitive professional career they happen to choose. Gone are the people who stumbled out of ‘serial entrepreneurship’ into the city of gold. These days, you had better bring both money and a mind to the table… and be prepared to lose both.
Whenever humans get together to buy and sell, there will money to be made on the margins or in the middle. There are still fortunes to be made in real estate investing, too, but you’ll notice a lot less ‘Weekend Realtors’, these days. If you’re getting into domain speculating right now, you had better be a fast learner but more importantly, you had better posses enough business and analytical intelligence that you could be a winning bond trader, but for whatever reason chose this.
Developing a profitable inventory at this point in the game is not like it was 10, or even 5 years ago. The risk/reward spectrum is just so immeasurably different today than it was then. Not 10 years ago, people were spending $10 to acquire something that 10 years later sold for $100,000. It’s too easy to loose perspective as a new guy, since you won’t be doing that no matter how enthusiastically some people chant. That dynamic alone is what made the fortunes and immense success of some. That dynamic is now gone.
There is no amount of enthusiasm that will bring back $30/oz gold, either.
Be careful, new guy.
loung = lounge
loose = lose
ive enjoyed franks posts but this one is just a commercial
sure the other posts are commercials as well, but he’s trying to hard on this one and when someone has to do it well..
asdf = fschilling?
if what asdf says is true, perhaps it is good that smarter people are experimenting with domain names. aside from fear of competition, why would working amongst smarter people be a bad thing?
one thing that has not changed since the 1999: the audiences who click on today’s ppc ads are not getting more intelligent. at least not when it comes to understanding how to use their computer and the internet. their behaviour is still as bizarre as it was 30 years ago.
but it may be more bizarre to some than others. the horatio alger domainer of old may have a better intuitive understanding and accpetance of the ppc clicking audience than any new brainiac coming on the scene.
as for domain sales, that is something altogether different. in many cases, aside from the hustlers, these names are selling themselves, based on a perception of domain name scarcity amongst the public. that perception and public demand is different from what it was in 1999. besides domainers, who is buying names based on traffic? among these non-domainer “end-user” buyers, value is enormously subjective.
what must icann board members think when they see a name they authorised to be sold for $6 resold for $60K? perhaps somethng like: “it’s obviously time for new gtld’s! how about a $185K non-refundable application fee? let’s do it!”
one does not need great cognitive ability to profit from this state of affairs.
Frankly showed optimism.. and that is the great thing about it… an optimistic view and with a heart of unstoppable spirit…
@ Yes
No, not FS.
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“but it may be more bizarre to some than others. the horatio alger domainer of old may have a better intuitive understanding and accpetance of the ppc clicking audience than any new brainiac coming on the scene.”
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The whole narrative built up around ‘folk wisdom’ is mostly false.
Most intelligent people are not only better at mathematics, but they have a superior capacity for the application of ‘common sense’, too.
Yes, there are some clueless eggheads with isolated intelligence types, there are some outlying cases of totally uneducated persons exhibiting freakishly refined insight into complex matters but for the most part, no, if you want to make it in domaining today, you had better be in that uncommon group of winners who can do essentially whatever they want and succeed. We can’t go back in time and buy $500 parcels of Florida beachfront anymore, either.
Just because those opportunities are gone doesn’t mean all opportunities are gone, but gone are the days when idiots could make money in domaining. The bar has been drastically raised.
Asdf is not fs but asdf is a genius. Great comment. One of the best I have read anywhere. He is so right the game has changed. Alot. I bore witness to morons making millions but those days are over and rightly so. Unfettered greed and a lack of principals took care of the golden goose. The guys you see at the top of the pyramid today got their because they knew about the hidden chamber, they took a shortcut. Even if you stumble into the tomb you’ll find the chamber has been raided of its gold. The domain biz is small mostly because a few players figured out early how to squeeze off the spigot which spewed names. Gaming extensions buying off registrars throwing money around like candy. Even if you were onto the idea of domain names a decade ago you had to deal with the likes of ye and others. It was never easy and it won’t get any easier. If you want to make money now game a new extension and get out fast there are not as many opportunities in domaining as some would have you believe.
Clear as always Frank.
@asdf – my belief based on years of observation is that the naturally maths competent people you refer to are not always also blessed with common sense. in fact, far from it. logic does always translate well to common sense. have you heard of aspergers? with respect to those that are interested in software and are supplying the majority of the world’s code, this is certainly the case. most software is riddled with fundamental problems. and year after year we see young maths whizzes hurrily trying to abstract over them for the umpteenth time- they are often abstracting over someone else’s abstractions of someone else’s abtractions. and it will get worse. they are not getting smarter. they are getting more lazy.
and this lack of common sense in software design most certainly includes the software behind dns, and http, and therefore domaining.
and it includes the systems of which they are part.
if you disagree, then i submit you do not know enough about said software and said systems. such knowledge may play a role for the most successful domainers.
being an A student in computer science might help one succeed in domaining, but the dns is an obscure area because it’s very boring, even for a CS grad. but there will always be a few who get to know it and take a real interest. e.g., being a sysadmin at at an institution that is responsible one of the original 13 root servers could probably help one to take an interest in how dns works. [sarcasm]who knows, such an interest might even be useful in domaining[/sarcasm]. do not discount the value of understanding the technical, boring side of domaining: dns.
how about being a person “born to succeed in anything” but lacking any real knowledge of systems software? or how about being an A student in business with an emphasis in marketing with a special focus on branding? how about a “branding guru”? people with the perfect CV. with the perfect list of past clients and accomplishments. are they going to be a successful domainer on par with the likes of a yun ye? i’m not so sure. because domaining on the ye level is not for everyone. the technical side would bore most people to tears.
and for those few domainers who succeeded on a scale comparable to ye but who lacked the same technical knowledge, they had others to help them who did possess some of the requisite knowledge. schilling regularly thanks those helping him with the technical aspects of his enterprise. do not overlook the importance of these “behind the scenes” domainers.
there are probably long time participants in domain investing who are still bitter with the ones who were successful early on such as schiling or ye. maybe they wonder “why them and not me?” and maybe they even think “if i can’t succeed after all these years, then no one can. except if… ” and maybe they post comments in forums and blogs that say “it’s too late to succeed in domaining…”
perhaps idiots can no longer succeed in domaining where they once could.
but who is trying to learn from the idiots who succeeded? maybe they are themselves idiots?
imo, to be successful on a grand scale in domaining on the level of fschilling you need common sense. and you need technical know-how. one or the other won’t do, you need both. and some would say you also need luck.
if you just want to flip domain names at inflated prices, the technical knowledge you need is very light. look at the buyers. you need only average software skills and the knowledge of a decent salesman, something that many people possess- not at all an obscure area. but will you reach the level of a ye or a schilling by just flipping overpriced domain names? is that realistic? assuming it’s even possible, if you succeed it’s likely someone may look back on your success and call you an idiot.
domaining needs new ideas (new technology) and new ethics. the domain name game is not over.
we’ll certainly see more salesmen and wannabe salesmen. whether you warn them or not.
this was the first frank post i didnt like
and its because hes gone the webfather route, which is believing his own hype
now dont get me wrong, frank did an incredible job coming in late and claiming all of those generics the others left or didnt bother to look for
BUT it could only be done if they were available!
so please dont give us rubbish about the greatest opportunity in the world bla bla is open for anyone bla bla BECAUSE what you have done could only be done with INCREDIBLE luck, THATS RIGHT, INCREDIBLE LUCK
BUT if you go back to be humble i’ll gladly say you did a great job under the noses of the other so called geniuses
just dont go around saying there are no accidents
BECAUSE that is bullshit, unless you want to say its no accident because you were looking for a way to make money, just like the rest of the entrepreunerial world
so lets get this straight, if the unique opportunity wasnt there, you probably wouldnt be either
id like to see one of these genuises actually do what they are telling others to do re greatest opportunity in the world re domaining OR is this advice only to the ones who already fell on their feet and just have to hold? and what about if technology changes, you’ll be the stupid ones for not selling when the going was good
then if they can do as they preach, ill say well done, no accident there
BUT it cant be done, BECAUSE you cant buy $10 domains anymore worth 100 or 100000 or 100000 times more a few years later anymore
sure someone will discover something, BUT this mine called domaining has already been mined for the amateur prospector
Joe king
“it was the best of times, it was the worst of times” Charles Dickens
“business is never good or bad out there business is always good or bad right between your ears” Zig Ziglar
At the same time like with any investment each of us has to look at historical evidence as well as try to predict the future.
One thing is for sure for those of us who are totally committed to the domain industry ( err …game). Time will reveal whether our decision to stay the course and not bail was the right or wrong decision.
The reduced number of attendees and change of faces At Domainfest is proof that some domainers are bailing ( i.e. their patience has expired) while others are climbing aboard the train.
if your aim is to do exactly what someone else did earlier, then no you won’t succeed. some people will still take your money though.
and you are free to vent about this ad nauseum. but to what end? it’s like he says if you’re too busying venting then you’re not too busy working.
but if your aim is to do something innovative (i.e. build on what someone else has done in the past), then there are indeed opportunities.
and no one is going to spoon feed you instructions on how to innovate. it’s not nearly as easy as venting. so we get lots of venting and little innovation.
where are the portfolio owners with thousands of domains under this program saying “it’s terrible.”?
that would be far more relevant.
instead it’s just the same old “there’s no good names left” mantra. it’s kept alive in every domain forum and blog. and then there’s always some mention of selling domain names.
but these domainers who allegedly have all the good names locked up did not acquire them to sell. sure, they’d be happy to sell out. but that wasn’t the original intent much less the expectation going in.
and the reason ye was able to sell was that he could some semblance of an income statement.
is this a parking program? or a brokerage? where is the “innovation” occuring? in the brokerage aspect? really?
if the tomb has already been raided, if the mine is depleted, then why are people still talking about it?
and what does sales have to do with it? that’s a different type of domaining. to make sales to end-users, no showing of income is required.
portfolios like schillings were not amassed with the intent to sell off names at a markup.
the domainer who chooses the moniker like “buyinternettraffic” is quite different from the one who chooses “buydomains”. they have different primary objectives.
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if the tomb has already been raided, if the mine is depleted, then why are people still talking about it?
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webfather stopped
Grief, please show me where you can go out and get 5, 6, or 7 hundred thousand commercially relevant traffic generating domain domain names at 7 bucks a pop over the course of the next 12 to 24 months. You can not. The fact that these “knock off” tlds have any wind in their sales is due to the fact that the dot com space is done. Guys like .Co and .mobi could only exist in that kind of environment. Shit no one bot .net for years now all a sudden it is relevant. Why. The com was gone.
Mining gold….the same parcels are mined decade after decade. The guys mining them now are looking for tailings not nuggets. They may find one here and there but not a million of them. Yes the .com domain ecosystem continues but in reality you are registering the stuff that others spit out.
“this business offers opportunity like no other” quote Frank Schilling February 2012
Oh really, even in 2012?
Or is this because you want people to think it was smarts and not luck that built your fortune?
Jane I think Frank wants people to buy his domain names.
“but judging by Rylan’s reaction to the gift of Rylan.net – they will still covet the .com more than their ultimate choice”
Most kids would probably want Rylan.Rocks more.
@Tom G agreed in principle. kids couldnt care less if its .com or .whatever
until someone tells them its worth more as a .com that is
but the point being franks gone mad!
@Wow- i am not suggesting that anyone try to do what schilling did. and you have described it perfectly: there are panners, arriving long after the gold rush. of course, people will still try to recreate the schilling story. they will not listen to common sense. and as you point out, the new registries will be ready to take their orders. it’s pretty sad.
however i still believe there is opportunity. maybe the opportunity i see is not what schilling meant in his statement. or maybe it is. but imo the major opportunity is certainly not in trying to do what he did: gobbling up dropping names that get traffic. at this stage that amounts panning after a gold rush. you may make some good returns, but you won’t become the next domainer kingpin with that approach.
it’s possible there are more names that are not registered which do get traffic – no one really know all the nonsense that people type in their address bar (except potentially the browser makers like google). but the elimination of tasting as a viable method for discovering such names has meant most domainers have lost interest in pursuing them. and again, this search may amount to panning after the gold rush. maybe there’s still a big nugget or two, but how many can there really be and how much money and effort is required to find them?
there are still opportunities. but when i say that i don’t mean buying names in worthless expansion tlds or panning .com for rare nuggets. i mean there is opportunity for people who can think outside the box.
compared to other businesses, this one, which i believe encompasses more than just buying and selling domains names, is severly lacking in such individuals. it’s all monkey see, monkey do. lots of followers and few leaders.
we see high levels of imitation. but low levels of innovation.
haha webfather has made a post now saying everyone are losers who dont believe etc
just like he said to the naysayers in 2000
BUT the problem is there is no model today available like there was in 2000
because in 2012 the stakes are high which means the risk is high
apples and oranges
50% of the posts on this page wouldnt have been posted at ricksblog
this is why this board is good, real information from “both sides of an argument” is being posted
and it seems like the professionals are on this board judging by the comments and the newbs/schills/editors are at ricksblog, nothing new though hes been doing this shit for years
From the Rick Schwartz post:
“So 12 years later, has anything really changed?”
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SERIOUSLY?
Yes, what’s changed is that it isn’t 2000 anymore. That doesn’t even need to be explained, as far as how it relates to domain name speculating. Sentiments don’t ‘stay correct’ forever. He was definitely right in 2000. He isn’t right anymore.
Rick is a hyper-partisan cheerleader.
They exist in everything. Equities in certain industryes, precious metals, real estate… Their investments are a sincere manifestation of their own beliefs, but their cheerleading usually isn’t very objective.
When gold is low, it’s an opportunity.
When gold is high, it’s “I TOLD YOU SO”
When gold is falling, it’s an opportunity.
When it’s falling, THERE HAS NEVER BEEN A BETTER OPPORTUNITY…
It’s ridiculous.
There can still be fine money made with domain names, but it’s not in the ways that established guys like Schwartz and Schilling. It’s not even close.
interstingly this is one of the first times white knights havent been running to the rescue of their idols
its telling dont ya think?
domaining is no braining, ill explain..
if you had less of a brain than everybody else but registered a generic domain name when they were available for registration fees, you would be a millionaire! fact, and it doesnt matter how many blog posts you made or conventions you go to or who you know or what club you belong to, you would be a millionaire. and the only trick was you had to be at the right place, right time and have the registration fee
domain names as an asset wasnt created, it was just there because of the internet. buy an adult domain name, get type ins, post an affiliate link, make millions. what is all the hooha about just because you were there at the right time? you got lucky, congrats, great story, but dont go telling me your a genius
tell me any other industry where that could be done so easily besides discovering gold?
well, there are certainly more than a few “domainer legends” who point to domains in general, e.g. generics, as the source of their success when in actuality it is only adult domain names that enabled them to succeed.
all domaining is not the same.
1. deriving traffic from people who are searching for porn is indeed a no brainer. this is a demand which may never subside. but the supply is overwhelming. the internet is brimming over with porn. competitors are getting nasty.
2. deriving traffic from people who are searching for one of a million possible things, excluding porn, is a little more complicated.
if you are google and you know what people are typing into “the box” then this is perhaps a “no brainer”.
but unless you are the dns provider (neustar, opendns, google), the search engine (google) or the browser maker (microsoft, google), this type of domaining is certainly not a no-brainer.
3. selling domain names to naive end users with ample budgets, or savvy end-users infused with hype-driven vc money, is a no brainer.
these are not mutually exclusive categories, but they each carry different amounts of risk.
no one can predict the future (except perhaps google). it doesn’t stop people from trying. and they get a lot of clueless followers hanging on their every word.
moreover no one can change the past. but this doesn’t affect people’s endless fascination with “what if?” as in “what if i had registered _______ in 1999?”
if you want to make money you need to be in the here and now. not in some dream about the past or future.
I have only been domaining for just over 2 years, I had to propel myself into this business to get out of poverty, I have only made about $9k in total from domain sales. I never had any funds to invest in domain names and the $9k made I have re-invested into my walletDomains.com portfolio, so I am pretty much back to par. Considering I had nothing 2 years ago and now have nothing + a portfolio with a potential to make money, this business gives me hope that maybe one day I can enjoy money.
Cheers
walletdomains.com
i looked at your page for about 10 seconds and the domains i saw wont sell for anything near the prices you’re asking, if at all
this combined with your comment above is a major reason i get pissed off with Webfather and co
spewing on about there being no difference between 98 and 2012 etc and you’re all losers if you think like that etc etc BECAUSE people
lose their shirt on this so called trustworthy advice
@joe.king
You was on my site for 6 minutes and 12 seconds but im happy for you to say 10 if it makes you point sound more powerful.
Cheers
@joe.king
Had offers already on –
WalletHQ.com and TapToBet.com
And 3 enquiries on
WalletExperts.com , MobileWallet.net and MobileWalletPro.com
wallet i could be wrong, you could be right
again i only looked for 10 seconds or maybe it was 30 sec
point being webfather has literally preyed on people who fell in to his webspin all of his web life (hes an expert at it bernie madoff style)
and now we’ve got frank saying shit like its the best time ever or whatever he said
@wallet: imo, that’s smart domaining. maybe you won’t get the lucky break, or maybe you will. but most importantly you are in the draw, so to speak. you are in the game. your portfolio is self-sustaining. and imo, building a self-sustaining portfolio (of non-adult domain names) at this stage of the domain game is not a no-brainer.
keep the faith.
@wallet
I wonder if someone will go for .wallet new gtld. Application fee is about at much as your highest price domain.
I wonder what effect a .money new top level domain will have on those.
The same effect .co has had on .com prices – 0
I felt his message “which most people missed’ was …
You re-invent yourself, you trim down, you roll with the punches , you lose some, you go out on a limb ( *internet traffic , fantastic numbers so far ) , you surround yourself with great people a la Google , you renovate and then you work harder than ever …
from dnjournal.com/domainsales.htm
…PersonalLoans.com at an even $1,000,000.
That name topped a stunning hit list of February sales at the firm that gave DomainNameSales.com 10 of the 20 entries on our new all extension Top 20 Sales Chart, including 7 places in the top 10 (and those were just sales they were able to share with me – the majority of their sales were subject to non-disclosure agreements).
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* see dailychanges.com