Wealth Investors, LLC, headquartered in Memphis, Tenn., is trying to bring domain monetization to the general public.
Its a concept I have had discsussion with other domainers through the years.
What if you can teach John Q. Public about how they can make income from domain names.
Those inside the domain world will quickly point out that revenue from domain parking has decreased tremendously over the years, but its still a meaningful amount, especially to most people who could use a little extra money.
It plans on presenting at Pitchfest at Domainfest.com looking for investors to bring domaining to the masses.
I just chatted with The company’s founder, John Bonk who is on site at Domainfest about his company and service which already has a couple of hundred of clients.
“We created a process to analyze and monetize the Web’s most valuable asset — traffic.
“We have test thousands of domains and our research indicates that only 3 percent of the millions of domains that expire monthly have ongoing, built-in traffic, making their analysis tools valuable allow more people to make a profit online.”
“In other words our program finds those 3% of domains everyday that have traffic enough to at least sustain the domains carrying cost.”
“We scan every expiring domain every day and look at every back link and analysis each of the back links them to see if they will monetize over a long period of time.”
“The 3% of domains that have built in traffic, back link that will last, those are the domain names we send to our clients.”
The company is not trying to get domainers as clients but bring in the average guy who wants to make some extra money into the world of domaining, a world the client probably woudn’t be dabbling in.
“Our basic program which is a one time charge of $397 to a client gives them information about expiring domain names on Godaddy.com including video courses, ebooks and access to two live webinars.”
More advanced and add on programs will give information and expiring domains available on other services.
“We are bringing the domain monetization concept to the rest of the world, the 99% of the people that don’t know about it.”
“We show people that they can get involved with buying expired domain names and monetize them.”
“We have a client who just joined the program a few weeks ago and now having learned about domain names is actually looking to buy keyword domain names in the $25,000 price range”. “Here is someone who wasn’t even thinking about domain names a month ago and now is looking to acquire premium domains.”
“We are bringing people to the domainining community that would never come through normal channels.”
Our goal is holistic wealth building, obtaining passive income for our clients in the form of domain names that will generate on average around $2 a day each.
The company plans call for 250,000 outbound marketing calls a month, infomercials and webinars
The company is current using services like DomainSponsor.com , NameDrive.com and Bodis.com for monetization but is looking for other vendors including other forms of monetization.
The company also plans on operating a marketplace that will only have domain names with validated traffic and earnings, “we will reach out to stock traders and others interested in alternative investments and offer them domain portfolios at X revenue.”
You can read more about this product at Click Millions.
What we need is more end users not more investors…
I have noticed in the past 6 months or so it’s been tougher to catch good names. I have to backorder a lot more names now and new domainers are in those auctions with me.
Seems to be very cyclical with new people joining the fray and then leaving after a few months. Just gotta ride the waves I guess.
Anyone that has developed an algo that finds only the “Best” names wouldn’t share it with anyone and would use for themselves to pick up only the “Best” names to make millions. I don’t buy it!
I’m with Tony. Parking is tough as most of us know, with the domains commonly available at auctions. Also, without spending time developing seo and backlinks the idea that a domain will continue to bring traffic is doubtful. Also, search engines are very tough on parked pages it seems from my experience. Not trying to be negative here…but this is not to say that you can’t develop a great program on tv (infomercial) and sell it to the masses and make a killing. Question will be, who is left holding the bag.
Honestly, once I looked around their site more, I wasn’t surprised to see they’re going to use infomercials. Hopefully they’re in this for the right reason – to actually help people earn more with their investment money.
Thanks for the post Mike and good comments Tony and pro dom. Like Pro Dom said you can make an infomercial and sell the heck out of it, and there will be a few people who become domainers out of it, they will find a little success and get more involved, there were some people who actually made money with tiny classified ads, SMC and no money down real estate. The majority will not make money and then the whole domain industry will be looked at as trying to dupe Ma and Pa Kettle.
The other point that Tony made is the purest point in the history of business, if they found the 3 % that make all the money, they would keep them, then use the next 3 % as the top 3 % and market that.
Why would you give away a proven method of making money month in and month out for a yearly cost of $8 ?
Maybe they will who knows, maybe they see the $397 as what they want and if they can convince just 10,000 people to join the domain traffic industry, they have done well.
If its legit, I wish them success and do believe some of these home based business seekers would become domainers looking to buy some domains. Just make sure the program is explained to people properly and that its not easy.
If the traffic is from backlinks, it’ll decrease over time…usually pretty quickly. Little wonder they want a one-off upfront fee for their service.
If they did manage to get say 10,000 subscribers, all chasing those c.1,500 worthwhile domains every day, no one would make any money…except them.
@Tony: Why not share it? There are other ways to make money other than keeping it for ourselves. In fact I would like to invite you to a one on one presentation of it so you can see for yourself we’re doing exactly what we say. Shoot me an email at rsaperstein@wealthinvestors.com; would love to chat with you more. Thanks for the feedback.
@ Professional Domains: Parking is not tough(I.M.O). In fact we feel it’s become easier. We have a lady who bought a domain for $12 , it currently makes her $3 – $10 a day in revenue. I’ve got another gentleman who’s a Dr. that purchased a domain for $25 and is currently making between $8 – $15 a day in revenue off it.
@James: You are correct that traffic “could” die overtime. However, we’ve got tons of domains that are going on 4,5, & 6 years old that are still making money.
If anyone would like to talk one on one or see a demonstration please let us know. Look forward to chatting with everyone and thanks for all the feedback.
I am glad to see Richard engaging here. Maybe he can answer my questions directly. I don’t want to question the business nature, I am sure you have your things in order. On the other hand, Tony, if you think “we” need more end users, create a service that generates end users, not that easy right? If someone is guaranteeing me a return on my 397$ investment, I don’t see anything wrong. Here’s where Richard should step in.
So you charge 397$, and you tell your users which domains to register, and you have case studies where users were getting $8-$15 per day?
Why isn’t the market place part already launched? What if you get 10 000 users, will there be enough domains?
@ Goran – “Why isn’t the market place part already launched? What if you get 10 000 users, will there be enough domains?”
I can answer that. And it would be the same answer with 1000 users.
@ JamesD- It will be the same answer with 10
@Goran: To answer your first question: “Why isn’t the marketplace launched yet?” – We just haven’t finished development on it. We want to make sure that when we bring out something it’s easy for the end user to understand. Remember we are teaching the 99% who really don’t have an understanding of domaining so we need to make sure it’s as easy as possible for them to use.
Regarding your second question. When we reach the 10,000 customer mark I don’t see this as being a problem. The average person we teach is only looking to buy 1 domain name each and every week. Can the user purchase more? Sure, but we teach a conservative approach to this. Another thing is the domain industry is constantly growing so I don’t see a shortage of expired domains anytime soon. This can be done on a global level, with global tlds as well.
Some case studies:
1. digitaljayhawk.org : Purchased for $7.95 – Amt Made so far: $39.89
2. cashloansnetwork.com : Purchased for $10.00 – Amt Made so far: $6,000k+
3. reno-pro.com : Purchased for $15.00apx – Amt made so far: $28.00
4. caguardtrainingcenter.com: Purchased for $585.00 – Amt made so far: $380.00
5. Whiteboxnetwork.com : Purchased for $15.00 – Amt made so far : $27.76 (Recent Cust Purchase)
Please feel free to ask any questions and thanks for all the feedback. Look forward to talking with you all some more.
– Richard Saperstein
These names are def. not direct navigation names.
Do you have stats on how long these names generate revenue before the bomb explodes and the traffic is gone?
Also, why not teach people what direct navigation is all about…Generic Terms that people actually search instead of some crappy name that gets traffic from old and used up links.
@Tony: Absolutely we have stats. I can go back 5 years to current. Will that do? If anyone would like to see these please shoot me an email with your contact info to set up an appointment.
Regarding your second question; why not teach people about type-in/direct navigation. We do to a certain extent but really how many “PREMIUM” direct navigation & generic names are out there? Remember we’re talking about the masses here. In fact I am working with someone right now who is about to spend $25,000k on a type-in/direct traffic domain name.
Regarding the link comment; I’m sorry you feel that way. If you’re open to learning about a new way to create long term income for yourself I would be more than happy to sit down one on one with you to hopefully change your perception of backlinks and being crappy. We understand that domainers have their own ways to generate revenue and this just happens to be the way we do. While it might not be for you hopefully it will be for others.
Once again I thank everyone here for your comments and look forward to talking with each and everyone of you. Thanks for all the feedback as well!
Like most things in life, unless you’re born into wealth, it takes time and work to see success in this area. Another “get rich quick” scheme. Success is not easy and most drop out.
@Richard…yup all the “premium” domains are taken…
Please every one reading this, note that all premium domains are taken and can never be purchased…so it’s best to blow your money on names that make no sense and have multiple hyphens in crazy extensions…but hey, you’ve got traffic! Ghost-traffic, but it’s still traffic.
Most people that start running out the gates will never be seen at the finish line.
@tony….totally agree…. “Most people that start running out the gates will never be seen at the finish line.”
“”Most people that start running out the gates will never be seen at the finish line.”””
Isn’t that they same with all new business ventures?
From the article: “In other words our program finds those 3% of domains everyday that have traffic enough to at least sustain the domains carrying cost.”
“We scan every expiring domain every day and look at every back link and analysis each of the back links them to see if they will monetize over a long period of time.”
“The 3% of domains that have built in traffic, back link that will last, those are the domain names we send to our clients.”
Richard, from your figures, how many domains per month does that 3% represent – and how can you tell if a backlink will last for a ‘long period of time’?
Thanks for all the comments everyone. I will try to answer as many of the questions as possible.
@Tony: Never did I once state that all “premium” domains are taken.
Also, could you please elaborate more on what your definition of what “Ghost-Traffic” is? I’m trying to distinguish between “Ghost Traffic” and those who click on the links on our parking pages making us 6 figures. Any information you could provide would be helpful. Thanks and look forward to chatting with you more.
@ORM: I too agree with Tony s statement about “Most people that start running out the gates will never be seen at the finish line.” Heck let’s take it a step further, most people will never be seen at the starting line too.
@James: “Richard, from your figures, how many domains per month does that 3% represent – and how can you tell if a backlink will last for a ‘long period of time’?”
Feel free to give me a call or email me at rsaperstein@wealthinvestors.com . I would love to discuss this with you and show you how it’s done.
—
I’d like to re-state my offer for everyone out there. For anyone who would like to see this live, one on one, and get an in depth overview of this please send me an email. If you want to see more proof reach out to me as well.
Look forward to chatting with everyone and thanks for all the great feedback!
Richard, surely you can quote a figure for that 3% here?
Guess that’s a ‘no’ then.
Well if you can’t quantify that basic element, the rest of the equation is pointless.
@James: Sorry I couldn’t get back to you sooner. As you may know when you have a company to run it’s hard to keep up with every little thing.
To answer your question it’s pretty simple to figure out. Just take the amount of expired domains that expire every month and x (times) it by 3%. That should give you the number you’re looking for.
Thanks for all the feedback and look forward to all your comments.
Richard, why are you skirting around this? How many domains per month does your figure of 3% represent? You’re analysing x number of domains per month to be able to come to your conclusion that 3% are worth mentioning to your clientel. On average, as a figure, how many domains would you pass on to your clients? 1,000; 10,000; 100,000?
@James : January 2012:
Aprox. Expired Domains a day: 100,000
# of days: 31
# of days x 100,000 aprx. = 3,100,000
3,100,000 aprox. expired domains x .03 = 93,000 aprox.
This number is based on the top 6 tlds and does not include hand reg’s or other country tlds.
Once again I thank you for the feedback and look forward to talking with everyone. If you have any more questions please feel free to reach out to me directly at:
Rsaperstein@wealthinvestors.com
Thanks and have a great day!
Aprox. 93,000 domains in the month of January.
So you’re reckoning on 100k per day dropping through Godaddy? Scale that down then to the c. 35-40k per day that actually do, and that would be 1,200 domains (top-end) that you’d be recommending to your clients. You can see that with a few thousand clients, things would soon become impossible. In fact a couple of hundred would kill it.
If it sounds like I’m against any more competition…it’s because I am. I bid on several names a day based on what I see as being viable buy prices. I win 3 or 4 auctions per week…if I’m lucky. It’s a cottage industry; not scalable. If you can sell enough shovels, you’ll make some money, but you won’t have many (any?) happy prospectors.
Do you recommend buy prices or estimate traffic to those names?