Yet the site WikiLeaks.org is publishing on a daily basis top secret and classified documents of the US government.
This information is by in large damaging the country, its relations with other countries and even many countries relationships with other countries.
The US government has said on many occasions some of the information endangers the lives of US citizens and citizens of other countries who have assisted the US.
Bottom line is that information owned by the US government is being published and transmitted without it permission by WikiLeaks.org.
So the obvious question is why the office of Homeland Security felt compelled to stop the transfer of intellectual property that was taking place on rapgodfathers.com but hasn’t made a move on WikiLeaks.org?
The domain WikiLeaks.org is registered at Dyadot.com a US based registrar and since its a .org domain the registry of the extension is also located in the US.
The weeks publication of top secret documents is not the 1st time such documents have been published by WikiLeaks.org; that site has been publishing such documents for months.
So why is homeland security more concerned with the “illegally downloading” of a P. Diddy song that the publication of millions of pages of top secret documents?
Which is a bigger threat to national security?
Or has the intellectual property community and their lobbyists just secured greater rights for clients; record companies, clothing companies and movie makers, than the government even has to protect its most valuable property?
“The US government has said on many occasions some of the information endangers the lives of US citizens and citizens of other countries who have assisted the US.”
Have they ever shown proof of this Mike?
I guess the private label companies give more donations and gifts.
Boy it would sure look bad if the govt shut that one down.
Celebrities can buy out their own sex tapes that the existence of is publicly known but I’m not sure it works in any kind of similar way here. I guess that’s one thing the Chinese govt has going for them. If they shut it down nobody would be surprised. I don’t follow wikileaks but I’m guessing they don’t print anything about the Chinese govt. Perhaps something like that could be a good vessel for the US to take it down tho. Just somehow get them to print something about a government that can take action.
Why Hasn’t The Government Seized The Domain Name WikiLeaks.Org?
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Answer: Because it is easier to remove the ENTIRE .ORG Top Level Domain.
ICANN should be able to explain that to you next week, in English.
://www.registration123.com/ICANN/cartagena39/
.ORG is mostly based in Ireland and Switzerland not the .USA
.ORG is not resolved in most new Consumer Products it will fade away
The most interesting part of this amazing fiasco is that the domains were seized by Homeland Security, not the Justice Department. Homeland Security is responsible for combatting terrorism, yet they are seizing music and other so-called “counterfeiting” domains. What does that have to do with terrorism?
On the other hand, the Wikileaks.org web site is bordering on treason and providing top-secret information to the enemies of our country. How is that NOT terrorism which should be under the province of Homeland Security. The present Administration is really beginning to scare me when it feels that it is more important for this top Government agency to seize domains on counterfeiting but not the big one on terrorism.
because it’s useless or
put here your favorite conspiracy theory
The next leak involves a major American bank and the shady/unethical dealings that happen at the executive level. Is that “damaging the country” as well? We elect the government. They work for us. It is the job of the press to inform the public of what the government is up to. They fail us with stories about Kim Kardashian’s ass. Wikileaks is doing their job for them.
I see two reasons:
(i) It violates first amendment (IANAL). Since this issue is at a global level and view, the US government cannot double-speak. US epitomizes itself as a free country (1st amendment). If it shuts down WikiLeaks.org, how different is it from other countries that US criticizes free speech?
(ii) If they seize, WikiLeaks.org, what keeps it from having another domain that serves the same purpose? I don’t think the model of WikiLeaks.ORG is getting traffic but to provide a mechanism to serve documents.
“The present Administration is really beginning to scare me…”
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Are you at all concerned about THESE .ORG people ?
://www.registration123.com/ICANN/cartagena39/
.ORG is mostly based in Ireland and Switzerland not the .USA
.ORG is also .XXX
The Internet Society’s .ORG leaders think they run the world, check out their latest demands. Talk about scary…
not wikileaks.org
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Support WikiLeaks.org Totaly: Very Dangerous NOT To.
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I’m in Bali/Indonesia and wikileaks.org no longer resolves from here too. I have never checked it before though so it is possible the Indo gvmnt is just blocking it. Not really their style though.
Looks like someone’s taken it down..who it was and for how long ??? who knows
“According to the website’s Twitter account, “DDOS attack now exceeding 10 Gigabits a second.”
erictric.com/2010/11/30/wikileaks-org-down-amid-another-massive-ddos-attack/
Censorship noted for future reference
://www.wimp.com/chomskyexplains/
“The present Administration is really beginning to scare me…”
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“WASHINGTON—The Federal Trade Commission unveiled a report on Internet privacy Wednesday that calls for the development of a do-not-track system that would enable people to avoid having their actions monitored online, …”
“Homeland Security is responsible for combatting terrorism, yet they are seizing music and other so-called “counterfeiting” domains. What does that have to do with terrorism?”
Howard, the US Customs service has been around since 1790, and up until recently was an agency of the Treasury Department. When DHS was created as a new department, the US Customs Service, and all its functions, were moved into DHS as the “Bureau of Customs and Border Protection and Immigration and Customs Enforcement”. Seizure of imported counterfeit goods has been one of their functions for over 100 years.
Not everything in DHS is about “terrorism” or is even supposed to be. Collecting import duties on certain goods is not about terrorism either, but it is most certainly a function of an agency of the DHS.
It’s like asking what protecting the president has to do with printing money, upon finding out the Secret Service is an agency of the Treasury Department.
“On the other hand, the Wikileaks.org web site is bordering on treason”
Treason is an offense which can only be committed by a US Citizen.
Assange is an Australian.
The actual leaker, Bradley Manning, is in the Marine brig in Quantico pending further charges.
they would simply push the info thru another site, no real way to stop news from being published once it leaks, would only further add to the complexity of the story imo
It does not matter what buzzwords people use:
End-to-End
Net Neutrality
Open and Transparent
There are Netizens (Americans, Australians, Canadians, Europeans, etc.) who firmly believe THEY have the right to ALL information, ALL of your movements, ALL of your conversations, ALL or your intellectual property ideas, etc.
“THEY” also believe they have the right to pass on ALL of your private information to anyone they want.
The .ORG Society is based on this. It Seeks Overall Control
Free speech issue galore, that’s why. Plus, Wikileak has an ‘insurance’ file downloaded in thousands and thousands of computers. One tweet and it’s decrypted, so seizing the name is useless. And think of wikileak.fr, .se and .whatever that US has no say over.
Hi,
My post on Elliott’s blog ~ Nov 28th (2nd post)
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Hi,
Here is a interesting thought in IMHO:
Last week the US Department of Homeland Security ceased more than 76 domains because of “Copyright-infringment”. These were mostly torrent sites but it shows where things are heading.
The domains were ceased on the eve of a massive Wikileaks file release and that could mean that the US government is showing that they will cease domains without court orders or without the owners being found guilty of anything.
It is almost as if the DHS is getting ready to blame all sites that post or share the Wikileaks files and (or) label them as “infringing copyright” (or illegal).
That is just speculation but one wont be too surprised if that is in fact going to happen.
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I wonder, interesting view and perspective I think….I guess only time will tell.
Best,
Dan
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My Post Link:
http://www.elliotsblog.com/why-i-am-not-worried-about-domain-name-seizures-1006
Best To All!
“One tweet and it’s decrypted, so seizing the name is useless.”
true
And, as a note to my prior post, the Secret Service was also moved from Treasury to DHS.
Here’s another Customs function:
http://www.cbp.gov/xp/cgov/trade/trade_programs/textiles_and_quotas/
…regulating textile import quotas.
Again, it doesn’t have anything to do with terrorism, simply because the Customs function was rolled into DHS from Treasury – its what Customs has been doing for ages.
It’s like asking why Patents and Trademarks are in the Commerce Department, while Copyright is under the Library of Congress. The answer is simply – “that’s where it ended up on the org chart”.
Wikileaks is totally inaccessible right now. Why ?
If the US govt takes wikileaks.org down, most likely the “leaks” will come back under a different name and this will look like a victory for wikileaks.
Fact: (Listen to the tapes or watch the videos)
Stuart Lynn, the second CEO of ICANN said openly, in public, at the start of one of his first meetings as CEO…
[paraphrase]
“Mike Roberts (prior CEO) told me that just before each major ICANN Meeting something CONTROVERSIAL should be fabricated…it draws the people in…”
YOU are being played, like fish in a barrel…
Once the government controls the Internet and important infrastructure computer systems, you have no way to escape the New World Order. They are working on controlling all electric utility infrastructure through their program known as “SmartGrid”. Airport Security Scanners are being used to learn how to perfect biometric and personal identification software, so they can identify and track every human being on earth.
All humans will be forced into compliance with the new world order and new world economic system. Those who do not comply will suffer without the things they will need and eventually persecuted. (Christians refer this to 666)
MBARK is something you should research as well as SmartGrid. Be alert to 6 Sigma (six sigma terminology).
Government documents are often disguised as being “for good” when other information is concealed within them to those who have the knowledge to understand. The Christian bible states “the devil comes diguised as an angel of light”.
The US and EU governments seek to control all computer communications and systems, all utility infrastructures, all first responders, all land and water rights, and they are developing more and more control over your children, and brainwashing your children to think “global” in the education system.
Wake up ! Too many of you do not want to believe that “these things are happening”. You have spent too much of your time on t.v., video games, listening to music, and showing off what kind of car you drive, and other selfish endeavors without paying mind to what is happening to the world and others around you.
Why do a post about something obvious?
The answer is super simple: The US Govt owns wikileaks.org 🙂
Would you take down your own website?
“This particular meeting is so important that we have upped our game…”
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while the A-List players head to San Francisco
://thefrontline.v3.co.uk/2010/12/icann-boosts-capacity-gtld.html
Icann boosts capacity ahead of big gTLD meeting
Internet oversight body Icann has had to increase the capacity of its back end infrastructure to ensure that it can accommodate all the journalists set to attend its Cartagena meeting next week, as the big build up to what could be one of the internet’s defining moments continues.
“This particular meeting is so important that we have upped our game to make certain that journalists have access, no matter where on the planet they are,” said Icann director of global media affairs, Brad White.
@Christopher – “The next leak involves a major American bank and the shady/unethical dealings that happen at the executive level. Is that “damaging the country” as well? We elect the government. They work for us. It is the job of the press to inform the public of what the government is up to. They fail us with stories about Kim Kardashian’s ass. Wikileaks is doing their job for them.”
Why? What? Is there something wrong with her ass…?
“one of the internet’s defining moments continues.”
This may be more exciting than the selection of the .COOP TLD
The site cablegate.wikileaks.com (the site that was posting the recently leaked documents) was hosted by Amazon.com, and I’ve read that Amazon took it down in fear that their affiliation with WikiLeaks would hurt their bottomline for the holiday shopping season…
Can anyone back this up?
Is there any doubt the US government will probably start using Wikileaks to their advantage?
Hello Mike,
It should be quite obvious why they are letting Wikileaks publish. Though some of the leaks are embarrassing others are in their best interest. There are those ready to demonize the sites releases for their own self interests. The politics of propaganda are a two edged sword. It will be interesting to see how this all pans out.
Gratefully, Jeff
Yes, Amazon was hosting Wikileaks.org and took down the hosting of the site. However, it is my understanding that they were only partially hosting the site and that there are other hosts outside the U.S. that will continue to run the web site.
“that could mean that the US government is showing that they will cease domains without court orders”
Dan, the domains were seized pursuant to a warrant issued by a federal court. The 4th Amendment permits that.
“Though some of the leaks are embarrassing others are in their best interest.”
Remarkably so. There is enough minor stuff in there that the few important nuggets – i.e. that China would just as soon be rid of North Korea – are not only helpful, but timely. Having that information exposed “by accident” at this point in time, limits China’s wiggle room. Of course, it takes a very unsophisticated mentality not to understand that Samsung, Hyundai, and LG Electronics, and their China operations, are much more valuable to China than Kim gone-ill. China has a greater economic interest in South Korea than North Korea, and one of the largest trading relationships in the world is between China and Wal-Mart.
Another example of that sort of thing is making it clear that none of the Arab nations wants Iran to have nukes, and they think A’jad is an idiot. For the most part, the leaks thus far have pulled a mask of hypocrisy from OTHER countries’ dealings. That is, of course, a natural consequence of the nature of the data in the first place, which is embassy staff reporting back on what they’ve seen/heard/observed in their host countries.
@Howard – “… is bordering on treason and providing top-secret information to the enemies of our country”.
Well said Howard, and right to the heart of the matter.
@John – “The actual leaker, Bradley Manning, is in the Marine brig in Quantico pending further charges.”
This self-important brat took it upon himself to steal and leak restricted access information, quite a huge amount of it, without truly understanding the potential damage that could have resulted. Many people could have been put at risk, diplomatic relations damaged, many ripple effects that could harm the country, possibly compromise security. Indefensible. Treason.
Hi,
Maybe the site is down because “Interpol” has a warrant out for his arrest on “unrelated” charges…. (Rape, I believe).
Hi John,
There are some “Nuggets” in the documents.
One that comes up all over the news is…
The fact that Saudi Arabia and other Muslim countries, want the US & Israel to hit ALL Iran’s Nuke sites…
Problem is…
This is NOT news!
I have known for over a year now about this… and the facts are that “Israel” has had “special force(s)” type teams in Saudi Arabia, Egypt.,Dubai, UAE, Kawait and in a host of other Muslim countries…in the middle east..for over 10+ months now, ALL with their blessings
And for more than a year now, Israel…took a huge airbase in one “Kstan” countries, that the Russians abandoned about 15 years ago.
Israel… has ALL refurbished, and has it “Fully Loaded”…..
None of this countries want Iran or Syria with nukes…even more than we do.
Peace John! & Fellow posters….nice little thread.
Dan
Agree with John here. Perhaps they want some of this information out.
John
I understand that the DHS is responsible for more than Homeland Security but isn’t it still responsible for homeland security?
I mean the government hasn’t moved that responsibility to like the Department of Agriculture have they?
So what I asked in my post and I’m still trying to understand is how could the government have less rights to its intellectual property, which I’m assuming top secret documents and classified documents would be than say P.Diddy has in “bad boys for life” (although it was a catchy tune)
And what seems to be so much less rights to the extent that homeland defense, which seized domains last week for sites selling fake Louis Vuitton bags (which is a french company) while being unable to seize a domain full of documents property of the USA.
there are NO ways to “unleak” what’s leaked
this is the bad (but also the good) of the Web
“I understand that the DHS is responsible for more than Homeland Security but isn’t it still responsible for homeland security?”
Lol, yes, but government works aren’t subject to copyright, and laws controlling the status of US secret documents end at the water’s edge.
The documents aren’t really “at” the site anyway. There are a gazillion copies of the whole lot, all over the place, awaiting an encryption key that can be tweeted at any time.
Thus far, the documents are being scrubbed to remove certain kinds of information, and the release is being made through media outlets which have somewhat responsible journalists and access to the whole lot.
As far as the New York Times having a copy, we went through this drill as a country once already with the Pentagon Papers.
My problem with the underlying ethics here is that what Ellsberg did was a principled decision to demonstrate that the Pentagon’s assessment of prospects in Vietnam was at odds with what was being sold by Washington to the public, and that causes a basic problem with the notion of a democratic state relying on an informed citizenry. The Ellsberg situation has ethical merit on both sides.
This situation – at least as its being portrayed – seems to involve a person with some sort of personality disorder wanting to “break stuff’ in a fit of pique. I also believe that Assange has certain personality disorders bordering on narcissism, and I had reached that conclusion a few years ago for other reasons. There seems to be no particular “point” to this episode other than “Lookit what I can do, ha ha.”
On the other hand, and as noted above, a lot of the “revelations” are really no surprise. To find out that most Arab nations would just as soon prefer that Israel take out Iran’s nuclear capability, than they would prefer to see Iran use it against Israel, is not really that much of a shock, and maybe it is time for a lot of the “public posturing” around some of these issues to be more grounded in reality. Some of the overt positions of various politicians in “opposed” countries is almost a backscratching deal along the lines of “you help me appeal to your wild-eyed extremists, and I’ll help you appeal to yours”. In parliamentary systems where you get a 48-48 split between equally acceptable major parties, there is this unproductive cycle of that split putting the 2% of whackjobs in the power broker position to form a majority coalition.
To engage in a panicked national bedwetting exercise over this thing is to say, “OMG, a couple of idiots might bring us to our knees!” Manning will rot for the rest of his life, just like Jonathan Pollard. He’s actually safer than Assange, who is more likely to get whacked by Russians or Saudis long before reaching a Swedish courtroom over some carnal nonsense. He’s a marked man whether we go after him or not, and he hasn’t figured out that a Swedish prison would be the safest place to be.
I also think the tinfoil hatters and window-smashing anarchists are going to be disappointed that the leaks won’t include conversations about covering up the “9/11 inside job”, chemtrails, who “really killed JFK” (hint: his initials are LHO), Obama’s birth certificate or keeping the lid on contact with UFO aliens. The absence of their hobby horses of nonsense will eventually lead them to believe that the Wikileaks thing was as fake as the moon landing was. Having nothing to show for their unproductive and insignificant lives, those sorts of folks naturally believe that everyone is engaged in some massive conspiracy. No, it’s not a conspiracy – it’s called normal society. Join it sometime. Admission is free, but may require some therapy for oppositional disorders. A healthy balance between senses of trust and suspicion is fine. Paranoia is a psychosis, and gullibility is a disaster.
A lot of the rhetoric about this thing is over the top. Yes, the barn door needs some repairs, and a couple of horses need to be corralled, but none of this stuff was “top secret”. About 600,000 people have authorized access to the data in question, which includes unclassified, confidential, noforn, and a small amount of secret/noforn. No, an idiot with a CD didn’t have access to the nuclear launch codes. If the situation is as it seems, it’s unfortunate, but probably not the end of the world.
But if you are looking for some sort of bold public announcement of action being taken in response to a release of secret information, you are probably going to be disappointed. I’m confident that appropriate things are being done, even if we don’t see some politician red-faced grandstanding at a microphone pumping his fists up and down in the air shouting “Get off my lawn.”
“a domain full of documents property of the USA.”
A – That’s not where the documents are.
B – We might just be a wee bit smarter about traffic analysis than you might believe.
let’s cut to the chase.
does wikileaks have ppc ads on their site?
maybe they should charge a small fee for each download, like itunes.
i’ll bet if the mainstream media ignored wikileaks no one (besides the usual wackos) would even care about the stuff they have. i’ll bet the wikileaks readership is primarily the conspiracy theorist crowd. but, unlike wikileaks, the mainstream media, aside from any democratic duties to inform they may have, is a business. so sit back and enjoy the show while they inform you about what’s on the internet. hopefully you’ll buy something from the sponsors while you’re at it.
@ NotSocialist
Why do a post about something obvious?
The answer is super simple:
The US Govt owns wikileaks.org 🙂
Would you take down your own website?
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I agree,
Spot On …. Unlike that rambling
“mum bo jumbo” certain know it all professional poser above.
People should run the government not the other way around.
real information sheds light into dark places.
invading foreign countries under the guise of “terror” is a lie for the masses.
almost everyone that was involved in 911 has saudi passports. NOT ONE had an iraqi passport.
invading iraq was TO STEAL OIL.
invading afganistan was to protect an oil pipeline full of stolen oil.
sending innocent soldiers to invade a country to steal oil is unconscionable.
why didnt the us invade saudi arabia??? even today most of the money that sponsors these terrorists is from saudi sources.
bush senior has been buddy buddy with the saudis for decades. even junior used them when he needed $$$$ arbusto / mr. bath……..
so many dead innocent people, so many lies.
wiki leaks is a service that is long overdue. the articles have been vetted by major news organizations to redact the most dangerous info. most of the info released so far is obvious anyway.
apologies for the points but watching this nonsense unfold is like watching a version of the twilight zone.
the previous admin was full of war criminals and they all walked. invading foreign countries to steal oil is a crime. nobody seems to mind though, they were voted in twice. crazy.
warmongers and warlords, can you say carlyle group, etc, etc, etc………
fun times.
“real information sheds light into dark places.”
And real gossip is worthless.
None of your premises or conclusions are based on any of the leaked material, and none of your views about them are likely to change as a result.
Diplomacy is a process by which we normally seek to avoid war. Disrupting that process for the mere sake of disruption is unproductive. Do I care what some staffer’s opinion is of, say, Sarkozy’s character? No. Does this knowledge of a confidential communication advance any worthwhile end? No.
Exposing a truth for a legitimate purpose has ethical value. Being a jerk for its own sake doesn’t.
Michael, You mistyped it as WikiLeads.org two times in your post. Anyway, you rank #1 for WikiLeads.org on Google.
Gerneric
“You rank #1 for WikiLeads.org on Google.”
Wow now I’m torn if I should correct it
Lol
Look, if anyone wants to know the perspective of someone who actually deals with this stuff for a living, instead of talking heads on TeeVee, here’s what Defense Secretary Robert Gates had to say:
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/11/30/gates-on-leaks-wiki-and-otherwise/
“Let me just offer some perspective as somebody who’s been at this a long time. Every other government in the world knows the United States government leaks like a sieve, and it has for a long time.
“Now, I’ve heard the impact of these releases on our foreign policy described as a meltdown, as a game-changer, and so on. I think those descriptions are fairly significantly overwrought.
“Is this embarrassing? Yes. Is it awkward? Yes. Consequences for U.S. foreign policy? I think fairly modest.’’
Am I crazy or am I receiving copy after copy of the same of this BigLieSociety guy’s comments in my email over and over again, but when I check the blog I only see one matching comment. Is he just posting the same thing multiple times and the spam system is blocking the duplicates however they still get emailed before the spam system gets it?
JP
I’m deleting duplicate comments as I can
“Every other government in the world knows the United States government leaks like a sieve, and it has for a long time. ”
so is this another black op?
“here’s what Defense Secretary Robert Gates had to say”
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Check out the recent video interview (on the 60 hour round trip to/from Australia) of Gates and Hillary.
The “Press” went down on one plane and returned on the other. Gates took what appeared to be an aging flying DOD command center. Hillary took {her own ride}, a flying palace. The Press noted the difference.
It is a rare opportunity to sit and watch and listen to Gates and Hillary side by side in banter about the world. You can educate yourselves and draw your own conclusions. The Press pushed on a few buttons, mostly who will occupy all the musical chairs in DC.
You might see that Gates and Hillary are part of a club where their roles, or who plays what role, are tossed around like… who will do the dishes tonight?
The Press did ask the obvious question of why these two are flying 60 hours almost non-stop with two well-heeled convoys to/from Australia for what had to be a very brief (coordinated) face-to-face meeting.
ICANN is flying how many people to Colombia next week ? for what ?
Reality? No point pulling the domain….Assange & co would just republish with the same name on some obscure ccTLD within 24 hrs……With the global publicity these guys get, they wouldn’t miss a beat.
owen frager
“Every other government in the world knows the United States government leaks like a sieve, and it has for a long time. ”
so is this another black op?
If not, you would never know! 🙂
Respect:
http://blogs.forbes.com/andygreenberg/2010/11/29/an-interview-with-wikileaks-julian-assange/2/
Chris
Then why seize any domain, most of the torrent sites that were seized are back up doing business under a different extension.
I’m talking about the legal end.
The theory of it.
Two bad = One good?
Let’s stop the world from knowing the truth (or part of it) because some domainers are worried about losing their domains.
Reality? No point pulling the domain….Assange & co would just republish with the same name on some obscure ccTLD within 24 hrs……With the global publicity these guys get, they wouldn’t miss a beat.
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http://usnews.6te.net
just because someone publishes stuff doesn’t necessarily mean anyone is going to be able to interpret it or care about it’s possible meaning. in fact, they may not even know it is published.
that’s where mainstream media comes in. they choose what gets public attention (not necessarily what’s important), they do the spin (interpet it) and they do the hype (promotion).
the internet enables distribution for anyone. anyone can publish “news”. but it doesn’t guarantee anything more. maybe not everyone can do what the mainstream media does, so effectively (yet).
the new yorker article on assange is one of the more in depth ones i could find. it says that assange admits he’s not trying to do objective reporting. he has a position on issues he’s trying to advance. he seems to hate spin, but yet he’s got his own.
conspiracy theorists take note: it also points out that wikileaks relies on technology developed by the us navy and released to the public (onion routing). anyone can read the code and modify it. not to mention that the internet itself has its origins in military procurement. but i’m sure this was all part of the grand evil plan, right? who needs evidence? it’s obvious.
i think despite the internet, the mainstream (commercially supported) media is still very much in control of people’s attention. i think most citizens are not to be bothered with research (too much work). and i think tv, with it’s superior ability to trigger emotion, is still the best medium to persusade people to adopt one or another way of thinking about anything. the decline of education only perpetuates the general state of apathy that results from these factors.
here’s an excerpt from the new yorker article:
In 2007, he published thousands of pages of secret military information
detailing a vast number of Army procurements in Iraq and Afghanistan. He
and a volunteer spent weeks building a searchable database, studying the
Army’s purchasing codes, and adding up the cost of the
procurements-billions of dollars in all. The database catalogued materiel
that every unit had ordered: machine guns, Humvees, cash-counting
machines, satellite phones. Assange hoped that journalists would pore
through it, but barely any did. “I am so angry,” he said. “This was such a
fucking fantastic leak: the Army’s force structure of Afghanistan and
Iraq, down to the last chair, and nothing.”
it could be that anything that’s released on wikileaks only reaches a very small audience unless the mainstream media gets behind the story. elsewhere in the article assange alludes to lots of stuff they have which has “niche” appeal at best. maybe it’s time for wikileaks to hire some marketing types. lol.
think about it.
The real question is why is the guy so dumb to have his hosting in the US at Yahoo and his domain at a US Registrar.
Is Julian Assange in Britain?
news.blogs.cnn.com/2010/12/02/is-julian-assange-in-britain/
If he starts publishing negative information about the oil cartel, global banks or the Mafia,
he might disappear.
Hello Everyone,
Interesting News On This Subject Matter:
Wikileaks.org to Banks: You’re Next
http://www.wealthdaily.com/articles/wikileaks-bank-megaleak/2866
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Demonoid Stays Ahead of ICE, Switches Domain to .ME
http://www.zeropaid.com/news/91427/demonoid-stays-ahead-of-ice-switches-domain-to-me/
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Sites With Government Seized Domains Are Moving On, On….
http://techcrunch.com/2010/11/27/ice-ice-baby/
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Homeland Security’s Domain Name Seizure May Stretch The Law Past The Breaking Point
http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20101130/00494412051/homeland-securitys-domain-name-seizure-may-stretch-law-past-breaking-point.shtml
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Remarks as Prepared for Delivery by Attorney General Eric Holder at the Operation in Our Sites II Press Conference
http://www.justice.gov/iso/opa/ag/speeches/2010/ag-speech-101129.html
I hope this is interesting and helpful…
Best,
Dan
Hi,
Another Perspective:
Quote:
Law professor David Post notes that the Department of Homeland Security is seizing entire domain names, not to protect national security, but to enforce run-of-the-mill copyrights. He calls this an unconstitutional due process violation, noting that “80 websites . . . have now been prevented from speaking to US citizens even though the website operators, whose domains were seized, had no notice or opportunity to respond to the charges against them (and to argue, for instance, that they are NOT infringing copyrights or trademarks), no adversary hearing, and certainly no adjudication before a neutral [judge], that anything unlawful is going on at these sites.”
He also notes that Congress has not yet passed a bill that would have granted the federal government the specific authority to seize domain names. (Senator Wyden or Oregon has put a hold on a bill known as COICA, the Combating Online Infringements and Counterfeits Act, that would allow U.S. courts to “seize” domain names belonging to U.S. or foreign websites simply upon a charge, by the Attorney General, that the site was “primarily devoted” to infringing activities.)
Earlier, CEI’s Ryan Radia and 40 law professors criticized COICA, arguing that it contained “egregious constitutional infirmities,” and would lead to restrictions on speech that are unconstitutionally overbroad and violate First Amendment rules against prior restraints. Professor Post also argues that the domain-name seizures would be “prior restraints on speech” that are “blatantly unconstitutional.” END QUOTE
Continues Here:
http://www.openmarket.org/2010/12/02/homeland-security-violating-due-process-and-free-speech-in-internet-power-grab/
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Best To All!
Dan
://blog.icann.org/2010/12/us-government-opposes-launch-of-new-gtld-program-in-cartagena/
That Justice Dept page is enlightening. Law enforcement does not use the word “infringement”, they use the word “crime”. These are the folks who seize counterfeit goods at the border. If counterfeit goods are being imported into the US, then it’s indeed their jurisdiction and it may be “crime”. But when it’s stuff that people in other countries are doing on web servers in those countries, and not necessarily involving US connsumers, it gets murky. I guess this is what ACTA is all about. It’s certainly not crystal clear that it’s within their jurisdiction to shut these sites (servers) down nor that the transactions being conducted through them are what we’d normally think of as importation of counterfeit goods into the US.
Ideally, to stop these sites from doing business, they should have cooperation from the countries where the servers are located (hence ACTA). The question is: do they?
Sure, they can seize the name in a US-based TLD. But it’s just a name. It’s the IP that’s essential for connecting to the network. Names are just a convenience. Maybe DHS should take aim at the regional registries and start seizing IP blocks. I’m sure no one will protest to that.
It will be interesting if this type of thing does spurn a renewed interest in alternative DNS, other than filtered, PPC-driven nonsense like OpenDNS and Neustar. Alternative root servers have been available for many years, but many users are unaware of them.
Gates is right. All of the information is known. It is nothing shocking, yet is has become the talk of all the networks. Thus serious issues like QE II and government bailing out non-banks like Verizon, GE, etc… get pushed to the back pages.
Sorta off topic, given how popular the keywords seized, wikileaks, domain names, etc… Are tees days I wonder how much G traffic this post is getting?
Jp
Several hundred a day from g search
The topic is hot but at the last look there were over 3,500 stories on wikileaks in g news feed
Several hundred a day ain’t bad. Be cool if you could sell ads specific to posts? Just a thought.
Hi,
Shut Down:
The website of whistle-blowing organization Wikileaks has been shut down by
the company providing it with domain name services…… EveryDNS.net said it
had …
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-11907641
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Best,
Dan
what about WikiLeaks is the NSA-sponsored website publishing info thay want people to digest. Controlling the information dosage to people minds.
seems like a true nature of wikileakage
“Wikileaks.org to Banks: You’re Next”
..hmmm, I bet that will be an interesting one to read.
Looks like Wikileaks is back up using the swiss extention .ch
gulfnews.com/news/world/other-world/wikileaks-back-online-after-six-hours-1.722441
Well there you have it. Wikileaks is going to beadvertising there whereabouts by raw ip address. This is getting interesting. Imagine advertising your ip address with ipv6.
And what country controls all the ip addresses currently? I actually don’t know, but I’m guessing the US.
“And what country controls all the ip addresses currently? I actually don’t know, but I’m guessing the US.”
Manages the allocation of IPs in Europe.
http://www.ripe.net/info/ncc/roles-responsibilities.html
RIPE, ARIN and 3 other regionial organizations control IP management for their region.
They indirectly receive their authority from IANA which is a division of ICANN.
http://www.iana.org/about/
Maybe, George would elaborate more.
Yup, as I thought….WikiLeaks is back up on the WikiLeaks.ch domain…
Y’know, its interesting….
…The loudest indignation is coming from politicians around the world that have been embarrassed by their own (or, their Govt officers’) private, and often stupid, comments – the objection being dressed up as ‘National Security’…
…Most of this is Govt officials saying stupid & disrespectful things about other nations’ Govt players……Its, at best, dubious (and, at worst, a downright misuse of power) to use Govt powers to prosecute the owners of WikiLeaks for publishing their own embarrassing statements……Blame the perpetrators, not the reporters…
Oh…..and, btw….Where’s the talk of treating like ‘Terrorists’ (Sarah Palin), or facing ‘execution’ (US Presidential aspirant, Mike Huckabee), and pulling the domains (and licences) of editors/proprietors of The New York Times, The Guardian, and Der Spiegal – who are all publishing these same leaks just as WikiLeaks is……???
I thought so….
Well said Chris. I have to wonder what is the size of the audience who would take such extreme suggestions seriously. I mean c’mon. The great majority of these cables appear to be just opinions, not facts. They are what amounts to the gossip of diplomats. Yet we have such emotional responses, from pepople who probably have not even read the cables, threatening extreme action, even violence. Weird. The harsh comment from Palin makes perfect sense when you consider Wikileaks published the contents of her hacked Hotmail account. I’d expect her to have a personal peeve with Wikileaks.
Obama Considering the Option of Asking for Hillary Clinton’s Resignation
Shades of the similar resignation requested from the DOD General who gave the Rolling Stones Magazine information
From WikiLemons, Clinton’s Diplomatic Lemonade
New York Times – Mark Landler
MANAMA, Bahrain – Last Monday afternoon, a grim-faced Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton stepped before the microphones in Washington to condemn the leaking of confidential diplomatic cables, a grave security breach…
Hi Everyone,
A little more news for Dec 04 on the ‘wikileaks saga’ ~
PayPal freezes WikiLeaks account
PayPal has frozen WikiLeaks’ account in the latest action against the whistleblower website, which has been posting leaked US embassy cables online.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/dec/04/paypal-shuts-down-wikileaks-account
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WikiLeaks Attacks Reveal Surprising, Avoidable Vulnerabilities
http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/12/wikileaks-domain/
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Best!
Dan