A few days ago I wrote a post about a Congressman who visited the TRAFFIC show as well as a candidate for Congress which spoke to TRAFFIC attendees.
Along the way the comments on the post got away from the subject of the post and got into personal issues between people in the domain industry.
I have now moved all of the comments from that post which were off topic to this post as they were clearly inappropriate to be comments on the previous post.
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The ICA, you mean the domain lobby group started by a bunch of squatters! IREIT was a founding member were they not? Oh yea, I also made some contributions to a “domainer defense fund” started by rick and howard and am still waiting for an accounting of just how that money was spent. It dissappeared faster than the contributions made to his Air Katrina initiative. Then of course there was the WADND, another money sucking do nothing brainchild of Rick and Howard that did nothing and went nowhere with no accounting to contributors.
The notion that TM holders are over reaching is in and of itself over reaching. The reason why WIPO stats are so lopsided is due to that fact that in the majority of cases the domain name owner was a squatter infringing on the rights of a tm holder. These guys want you to think the sky is falling so they can get into your pockets time after time. Guess what, the sky has already fallen. I was making 90% more per month 4 years ago than I make today. WHY? Because companies like IREIT jammed the domain channel with horrible traffic. Google didn’t clamp down on the channel soley to increase profits, they did it to decrease fraud and in response to complaints from advertisers looking for car leads being sent traffic from domain names like http://www.kingandprincess.com (very targeted Rick, I can see why you would want to monetize this highly generic category killer). Trademark owners are not nearly as much of a threat to domain owners as domain name owners are to trademark holders and trademark owners are not nearly as much of a threat to domain name owners as domain name owners are a threat to themselves. Like an animal that eats its young domainers have taken their baby and had it for supper. If you want domainers to support organizations like the ICA which was founded by dirty people with dirty money under the auspices of legitimizing the domain business count me out. The best words to describe the domain business are the very same as the last words heard on board the titanic. “Its every man for himself”. Oh, and on top of all that I’d give my money to the ICA before I’d give it to a politician anyday. Politicians may be the only group that rivals the scum you find and have to deal with in the domain business.
More….
3 outright LIES in your first paragraph and you KNOW IT! Another agenda driven troll that only purpose in life is to spread lies about Howard and myself. Every PENNY of each of those have been accounted for multiple times over the last years, but you always manage to bring it up and outright LIE about it and do it anon except since you have been pulling this CRAP for so long Howard and I both know who you are. So stop the lies! Get a life. All this over your “Contribution” that would not pay cab fare from the airport in Miami to the hotel. Get a life.
And let’s set the record straight on Air Katrina for the lowlife LIARS out there that want to revise history.
As you recall, it was ME who exposed the “Hero” Gary Kraser.
It was ME that went to the FBI and sat there for 3.5 hours.
It was ME that alerted all the folks on my board to no avail. I was the bad guy. Kraser was a hero!
It was ME that they did not believe.
It was ME that they skewered, called names and stabbed in the back.
It was ME that got every penny reimbursed.
It was ME that took the arrows from my own board members and FEW apologized for it.
It was ME that provided the evidence for his arrest and then 2+ years in Jail!
It was ME that took the NASTIEST phone call I ever got in my life from what I thought until that moment was a “Friend”.
Chris Campbell took 2 YEARS to apologize for that call and that was only because he wanted to sell me something. Keep that bridge burned!
I never forgot the lack of support from my closest friends and that became one of the biggest reasons I eventually closed my board. That was ugly and I will never forget what I went thru trying to defend folks from their “Hero”.
WADND money all went to the Verisign.com lawsuit which is still alive under cfit but nobody supports that either even tho we are winning!! We have a chance to stop all the increases.
Lowlifes have to lie about FACTS to feel important. Then when they get discredited they just get another anon name. But Howard will call you out later so everyone knows who is behind the lies. Deal with it! Not that you are even important enough to deal with. But now another TROLL is exposed for the liar they are. NEXT!!!
Hi all
I see we can’t all get along, so I’ll pose this question
🙂
To all:
I, like others, use the term “industry” when referring to domainers as a group, but in reality….is there really an industry?
or is it just a bunch of guys and gals who own some domain names and are trying to find the best way to exploit them?
Rick you need to relax, you are gonna get a heart attack.
Why would you have to account for the same item multiple times Rick? Probably because many mistrusted you, and looks like for good reason.
For years we’ve been forced to listen to your insessant begging for one cause or another all or which you have been completely USELESS at solving. Every week another cause. Every week the cause was headed by a newly named entity (defend this, association that). The dance was always the same as was the outcome. Nothing accomplished and no money left. And now you have the audacity to call out a guy who Howard is going to name later LMFAO (Note to self: check Howards site every two minutes; the postings are up and down there faster than a speeding bullet). Why not name names Rick? Remember, your not gonna take it anymore, at least thats what you said on your blog.
On top exhibiting the traits of an ego maniacle psycopath you are perhaps the most ungrateful person I have ever had the displeasure of having to deal with. After all the begging you have the balls to call out a guy for making a ““Contribution” that would not pay cab fare from the airport in Miami to the hotel.”
I happened to tale a cab from the airport to the hotel Rick. The fare was $75 with tip. If all 300 attendees had given 75 bucks that would have been like 23K. Still you chastize a guy for his contribution. Wasn’t is you Rick that said IN THIS VERRY THREAD
“There is more power when 80 people give $25 each than one entity giving $2000.” Then you go on to crap on a guy for making what YOU deem to be a SMALL contribution. You are a total unadulterated jerk.
Rick, your memory is a bit distorted. You neither created the Kraser problem yourself, nor did you uncover it, face it or fix it alone. We, the members of your forum were there and faced the same issues by your side. I wish I only spent 3.5 hours with the FBI. I wish I wasn’t referred to here: http://www.4law.co.il/katcon41005.pdf It was all of us Rick, we tried to do good and faced the music when we hadn’t done our DD…we ALL faced each and every issue you listed.
As for the domain defense fund, I was sent a copy of a post you made a while back saying you and Howard decided to give the remaining funds (about$3k) to WADND. That wasn’t very nice. We were all supposed to vote on where that money went and none of us were even told what you did til long after it was gone although several of us, myself included, asked you on your forum.
“you have the balls to call out a guy for making a ““Contribution” that would not pay cab fare from the airport in Miami to the hotel.”
A very good point. No pigeon shit people allowed in the upper rooms of the domain industry.
Donna, You were very helpful during that time but let me PROVE that my memory is not distorted. I have the original transcripts. This was me trying not to lose my friend Steve Sachs. I will keep posting more:
Steven my friend….you are a BLIND FOOL and Gary is a FUCKING LIAR. (At best)
Open you DAMN EYES already. Stop drinking the KOOL-AID.
The evidence of MANY LIES is OVERWHELMING. What MORE do YOU need?
He hides behind “God” and that makes him a SAINT?
Rick Schwartz ( Domain King ) – eRealEstate.com
Posted in ‘Default Posts’: Mon Sep 05, 2005 8:26 pm – #26008 (reply, quote)
Steven wrote:
as paypal donations are being returned per request, my partner and i are the only ones whose monies were spent.
so why don’t we just put this thing to bed and move on?
Rick Schwartz wrote:
1. OUR REPUTATIONS are on the line.
2. The FBI still wants to interview Howard and myself (For starters)
3. There is still info coming in that contradicts things that Gary said and not much confirming what he said.
4. IF there was a crime commited, we need to know.
5. He exposed Howard and myself and maybe others to legal problems.
6. You are STILL entitled to the dollars back. If you don’t want them…fine. But at least donate to a charity beyond question where the $$$ can still do some good.
7. You don’t minimize this behavior, you maximize it to understand it better.
8. This is a black mark on many domainers
9. This has tainted at least my view of EVER doing anything charitable again.
10. We still need to know the FACTS.
ONE LIE was more than enough for me. EXCUSES for this and that are meaningless. We still may be uncovering more info.
Plus when you google AirKatrina.com we are still coming up and Gary may STILL be collecting funds IN OUR NAME that we don’t even know about.
The point is this is TOTALLY unacceptable and we need to uncover EVERY DETAIL.
Believe me, I could go on and some others may add more that I have not even thought about.
Many of us are TOTALLY embarrassed, let alone angry and we still don’t know all of the ramifications this shit will bring.
Very well said Rick…
( I know its a “me too” type response but had to say it …sorry )
Zoot ( zoot ) – TicketStub.com
Posted in ‘General Conversation’: Mon Sep 05, 2005 7:55 pm – #26004 (reply, quote)
And here is the meat of it all. These are just my posts as they escalate. We BELIEVED he was a hero. You can see me tippy toeing around at the start. I have ALL the transcripts:
Gary,
PLEASE forgive me.
But I have to be 100% honest and tell you that privately people are expressing great concern that you are not being straight with us. There are just some things that are not sitting well and while we all want to give our soul for this we don’t want to get scammed.
Please figure a way to put our minds to rest so we can use even more of our energy to support your effort.
Thanks for understanding!
Rick Schwartz ( Domain King ) – eRealEstate.com
Posted in ‘General Conversation’: Fri Sep 02, 2005 11:01 am – #25404 (reply, quote)
Gary,
You must figure a way to ease all of our minds and it MUST be done right here. This is not a public board. It will stay in this room.
But the MAJORITY of members have DEEP DOUBTS. They can NOT be ignored. It is THEIR donations. THEIR contributions and you need to satisfy THEM….more than me.
Standing by
Rick Schwartz ( Domain King ) – eRealEstate.com
Posted in ‘General Conversation’: Fri Sep 02, 2005 11:31 am – #25413 (reply, quote)
So if the money gets diverted from victims to something else that is OKAY??? That is OUTRAGEOUS!
We ALL want the $$$ to stay with Gary but SERIOUS doubt is out there and BLIND FAITH ain’t gonna cut it.
I am going to pull AirKatrina.com down if we can’t get this squared away within the next hour. Anything else would be irresponsible.
PLEASE help us here Gary. The floor is yours. WE all want to help, but you NEED to help us.
Rick Schwartz ( Domain King ) – eRealEstate.com
Posted in ‘General Conversation’: Fri Sep 02, 2005 12:12 pm – #25433 (reply, quote)
RE: Call me dumb, but…
OBLIGATION
**************************
You folks really sadden me.
When I ask for money from people it is MY OBLIGATION to make sure it goes where it is stated. MANY have expressed concerns and it was MY OBLIGATION to check and make sure. I had the BALLS to follow that obligation no matter where it leads. The LEAST you could do is appreciate that I am doing what I SHOULD be doing.
You folks are so emotionally involved in this…and me too, that we have not asked some basic things. Shoud I apologize for making sure things are what they are stated??????
You have all known me for YEARS. Steven asks me to TRUST my gut instinct. Well it was that GUT INSTINT that allowed me to make that post.
So WTF!!
I am NOT the enemy. I am the person looking after the best interests of everyone involved and you should have a MUCH different reaction.
I better stop typing before I say something I regret.
But how about stepping back for a second and ask what are MY motives? After all these years I am just doing what I always do…ask the HARD questions and make SURE that things are as they appear.
Gary may be busy, but he had time to make phone calls one after the other to 5 of you. Had time to log in 25 different times but not ONE minute to address the concerns that could have cleared this all up.
YOU FOLKS SADDEN ME GREATLY!
Rick Schwartz ( Domain King ) – eRealEstate.com
Posted in ‘General Conversation’: Fri Sep 02, 2005 2:22 pm – #25472 (reply, quote)
Gary,
PLEASE forgive me.
But I have to be 100% honest and tell you that privately people are expressing great concern that you are not being straight with us. There are just some things that are not sitting well and while we all want to give our soul for this we don’t want to get scammed.
Please figure a way to put our minds to rest so we can use even more of our energy to support your effort.
Thanks for understanding!
Rick Schwartz ( Domain King ) – eRealEstate.com
Posted in ‘General Conversation’: Fri Sep 02, 2005 11:01 am – #25404 (reply, quote)
Gary,
You must figure a way to ease all of our minds and it MUST be done right here. This is not a public board. It will stay in this room.
But the MAJORITY of members have DEEP DOUBTS. They can NOT be ignored. It is THEIR donations. THEIR contributions and you need to satisfy THEM….more than me.
Standing by
Rick Schwartz ( Domain King ) – eRealEstate.com
Posted in ‘General Conversation’: Fri Sep 02, 2005 11:31 am – #25413 (reply, quote)
So if the money gets diverted from victims to something else that is OKAY??? That is OUTRAGEOUS!
We ALL want the $$$ to stay with Gary but SERIOUS doubt is out there and BLIND FAITH ain’t gonna cut it.
I am going to pull AirKatrina.com down if we can’t get this squared away within the next hour. Anything else would be irresponsible.
PLEASE help us here Gary. The floor is yours. WE all want to help, but you NEED to help us.
Rick Schwartz ( Domain King ) – eRealEstate.com
Posted in ‘General Conversation’: Fri Sep 02, 2005 12:12 pm – #25433 (reply, quote)
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I remember it well, Rick. It was the “ME” parts I found distorted. The blame, if there is to be any, for the mistakes made was on all of us for trying to help. The credit for getting it all made right was also on all of us. Your post made you sound like the lone ranger whose friends all turned on him.
I am not done
When many still thought he was a hero including me……Just a few doubts between a handful of folks.
Gary,
PLEASE forgive me.
But I have to be 100% honest and tell you that privately people are expressing great concern that you are not being straight with us. There are just some things that are not sitting well and while we all want to give our soul for this we don’t want to get scammed.
Please figure a way to put our minds to rest so we can use even more of our energy to support your effort.
Thanks for understanding!
Rick Schwartz ( Domain King ) – eRealEstate.com
Posted in ‘General Conversation’: Fri Sep 02, 2005 11:01 am – #25404 (reply, quote)
Then:
Gary,
You must figure a way to ease all of our minds and it MUST be done right here. This is not a public board. It will stay in this room.
But the MAJORITY of members have DEEP DOUBTS. They can NOT be ignored. It is THEIR donations. THEIR contributions and you need to satisfy THEM….more than me.
Standing by
Rick Schwartz ( Domain King ) – eRealEstate.com
Posted in ‘General Conversation’: Fri Sep 02, 2005 11:31 am – #25413 (reply, quote)
So if the money gets diverted from victims to something else that is OKAY??? That is OUTRAGEOUS!
We ALL want the $$$ to stay with Gary but SERIOUS doubt is out there and BLIND FAITH ain’t gonna cut it.
I am going to pull AirKatrina.com down if we can’t get this squared away within the next hour. Anything else would be irresponsible.
PLEASE help us here Gary. The floor is yours. WE all want to help, but you NEED to help us.
Rick Schwartz ( Domain King ) – eRealEstate.com
Posted in ‘General Conversation’: Fri Sep 02, 2005 12:12 pm – #25433 (reply, quote)
And for the shit I took by MANY on the board at that time still defending Gary Kraser. So there is the PROOF! I remember WELL! And like I said Donna, you were one of the ones that wanted to find the truth. The list of who did not is long or I would not have said the following:
You folks really sadden me.
When I ask for money from people it is MY OBLIGATION to make sure it goes where it is stated. MANY have expressed concerns and it was MY OBLIGATION to check and make sure. I had the BALLS to follow that obligation no matter where it leads. The LEAST you could do is appreciate that I am doing what I SHOULD be doing.
You folks are so emotionally involved in this…and me too, that we have not asked some basic things. Should I apologize for making sure things are what they are stated??????
You have all known me for YEARS. Steven asks me to TRUST my gut instinct. Well it was that GUT INSTINT that allowed me to make that post.
So WTF!!
I am NOT the enemy. I am the person looking after the best interests of everyone involved and you should have a MUCH different reaction.
I better stop typing before I say something I regret.
But how about stepping back for a second and ask what are MY motives? After all these years I am just doing what I always do…ask the HARD questions and make SURE that things are as they appear.
Gary may be busy, but he had time to make phone calls one after the other to 5 of you. Had time to log in 25 different times but not ONE minute to address the concerns that could have cleared this all up.
YOU FOLKS SADDEN ME GREATLY!
Rick Schwartz ( Domain King ) – eRealEstate.com
Posted in ‘General Conversation’: Fri Sep 02, 2005 2:22 pm – #25472 (reply, quote)
And here is Kraser himself thanking those still drinking the Kool-Aid:
AirKatrina.com
I DON’T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO SAY TO THOSE THAT DO NOT BELIEVE WHAT I’M DOING IS FOR REAL! DON’T WORRY, MY FRIENDS ALL OVER THE WORLD BESIDES THE FEW HERE THAT HAVE OPENED THEIR HEARTS AND THE LIKE… I DID WHAT I DID BEFORE YOU, YES YOU STARTED AIRKATRINA… WHAT I DID I NOT ASK FOR, AS I HAVE DONE THIS SECRETLY FOR 23 YEARS BEFORE MOST WERE NOT EVEN BORN. I AM HURT AND SHOCKJED AT WHAT I JUST HAVE SEEN FOR THE FIRST TIME IN HOURS…
DON’T WORRY I STILL HAVE PEOPLE HERE, AND EVERYWHERE ELSE THAT ARE BEHIND ME…AMERICAN EXPRESS HAS JUST ENDORSED ME…UPS, FEDERAL EXPRESS, MY FRIENDS IN BROADWAY, HOLLYWOOD AND I WILL NO LONGER SAY WHO ELSE…WATCH THE NEWS THEN AND DO NOTHING, AND THINK THAT OUR ARMED SERVICES DON’T NEED MY HELP, INSTEAD OF REPORTING AND QUESTIONING MY INTEGRITY…I HAVE NOTHING ELSE TO POST, NOR WILL I, BUT ONLY STAY IN TOUCH WITH DONNA, CHRIS, STEVEN, ADAM STRONG AND ANYONE ELSE BEHIND ME THAT I HAVEN’T MENTIONED THAT ARE STILL WITH ME… I ASK GOD TO PRAY FOR THE REST OF YOU IN LIGHT OF WHAT I HAVE JUST SEEN FOR THE FIRST TIME… THANKS FOR TAKING DOWN AIRKATRINA…I WILL USE WORLDJET.COM IF I HAVE TO, SINCE 1999…
OUT…13:36 EST
Gary S. Kraser ( GSK ) – WorldJet.com
Posted in ‘General Conversation’: Fri Sep 02, 2005 3:36 pm – #25493 (reply, quote)
dictionaries define industry to include a commercial enterprise. certainly owning domains are that. not all domain holders are “broke”. some are millionaires 10’s or 100’s of times over.
many of the most popular domains are backed by databases (e.g. google), payment systems (your bank) or a combination of the two (e.g. amazon). the attraction to those sites is what they offer: e.g. data, payments processing or sales of products.
these sites rely on advertising as a source of revenue. so too does domaining.
however, with domaining, the attraction of the sites is not what the sites offer, but what the names are _presumed_ to offer. (and in many cases they offer is ads or paid search, and nothing else.) the focus is on the names, first and foremost.
but the word industry may potential connations, e.g., that something is being _produced_. with the web, that might be data for consumption, a service for online banking, a service for online purchasing, etc.
i’m not sure domaining produces anything, except for income (or loses). but for many people the potential earnings of domaining make this point moot. passive income is still income. some of the world’s wealthiest people produce very little if anything. income is derived through ownership.
some view domaining as investment. and a domain is seen as akin to other investment products, e.g. securities. i agree with this particular view. domains produce passive income. like a telecom mogul who own the “wires” in a telecom network, domainers own “end points” on it. moreover, domaining, similar to investing in securities, bonds, etc. requires research. it is facilitated by specific, “industry-specific” information. successful investing takes a great deal of work and is an acquired skill. (honest) domaining is no different.
coming back to the question of whether domainers are a coherent group, maybe the investment analogy can help us to answer it. are investors are coherent group?
i’m not sure what the answer is. but i’d say investors as a whole are not so much a coherent group vis-a-vis each other as they are, in general, a recognised coherent group to regulators.
and i think that’s probably the point of this blog entry. whether you associate with your fellow domainers or not, to someone in a regulatory position you may be viewed as one in the same.
because so few people understand the intricacies of domaining, if one domainer does something stupid, a large number of people may hold all “domainers” accountable.
is lobbying to block stronger trademark enforcement mechanisms (no doubt needed to deal with the people doing stupid things) the best course of action?
can domainers “self-regulate”?
Here is one of the few apologies. Shall I continue and post some of the nasty things said to me that day or can we move on now? I think I made my point.
RE: AirKatrina.com
I guess the bottom line with the AK thing is that there ARE doubts in peoples minds and nothing has been done or said by Gary to eleviate the concerns of those who tried so hard to help him.
This reminds me in part of the Scott Ross debacle where all that was needed for him to STEP UP and say what needed to be said in order to clear the air. When he didn’t do that there was only one logical conclusion to be drawn.
Personally I am prepared to stand up and defend anything and everything that I stand for. When another isn’t I have to question their intentions. Part of this philosophy also means taking responsibility for your actions and being prepared to eat crow and admit your own errors.
To anyone who felt that my position and or posts in defense of Gary were inappropriate I apologize. Rick. I apologize to you and hope that you will understand that my posts were not meant to question your judgement and or intentions. Like I said before and you yourself reiterated…your history and actions speak for themselves. Despite what you may have felt I wasn’t questioning you or your principals, judgement or integrity I was merely question the process.
Again, my apologies to all who were offended. I think in own own ways we were all trying to do the right thing. In retrospect, things always seem clearer than in the moment.
I want to continue to contribute to the victims of NO and to the members of this board in any way I can. I’m sorry.
Dan Cera – DomainTrader
Posted in ‘General Conversation’: Sat Sep 03, 2005 3:05 pm – #25678 (reply, quote)
Toonz wrote:
to those of you that are now dancing to the tune that this was a scam…
You are wrong.
this should be resurected. all the answers are available, I’ve talked with Gary extensively.
So now you believe that he never did anything to help? Shameful.
Here is the post I wrote that started the questions. It was very difficult at the time to write. It is long so it may be cut off.
RE: AirKatrina.com
There are SO MANY things I hardly no where to start.
There were a number of doubts and they just got stronger as the day passed by. But last night it really started to get serious.
We did the press release and the PR guy called me about 10PM. He went over things and told me cnn and ap may be calling me.
We had a dry run of how I should answer the questions posed.
After a few “I don’t knows” I felt pretty silly
It then raised a number of questions.
I spoke to Gary a little after Midnight.
With those qustions fresh in my mind I asked a few things.
Some things that were stated on the website…that were NOT TRUE.
The first thing being that we were talking about the “Group” of pilots.
How many pilots are in this group folks????
Well there was no “Group of pilots” there was just Gary. We were led to believe there were many. FALSE!
Then we talked about how many planes.
Earlier in the day Donna told me there were 24 planes. Then Gary said an unlimited amount. That was different than TWO the day before.
So there were some things that were not honest and I am supposed to talk to the media and look stupid. Or worse…a LIAR?
Gary edited the page with a fine tooth comb. Sentence by sentence. Yet there were things there that were just inaccurate at BEST and outright lies at worst.
Here we are asking for MONEY and donations and we are making up stories?? THAT’S a problem. A BIG problem. I don’t do that SHIT!
I slept on it. I woke up and it still bothered me. Several board members already had doubts and now I had mine. So then I emailed Donna as I wanted to talk to her. I never asked Donna for a phone call in my life as best I can remember. I said I had “Concerns.”
Then I emailed some other board members and we started comparing notes. I was very uneasy about things.
So I made the initial post to Gary. It took me a couple hours and loads of emails to come to that decision.
here is the origianl post. It was VERY DIFFICULT for me to post it.:
“Gary,
PLEASE forgive me.
But I have to be 100% honest and tell you that privately people are expressing great concern that you are not being straight with us. There are just some things that are not sitting well and while we all want to give our soul for this we don’t want to get scammed.
Please figure a way to put our minds to rest so we can use even more of our energy to support your effort.
Thanks for understanding!”
Followed a little later with this post:
“Gary,
You must figure a way to ease all of our minds and it MUST be done right here. This is not a public board. It will stay in this room.
But the MAJORITY of members have DEEP DOUBTS. They can NOT be ignored. It is THEIR donations. THEIR contributions and you need to satisfy THEM….more than me.
Standing by ”
Then Gary gave some answers that were kinda weird.
He was too busy to post but talked to more members on the board on the phone in one day than I have in 7 years. Baisically enlisting them to defend him. I really did not like that. I was born at night, but not last night. I know the signs. I have dealt with many people over the years and that was another red flag to ME.
Many other things transpired.
I waited an extra hour before taking the site down. Folks I know for many years are now questioning my motives even tho I thought a had a damn good track record. That really hurt. It still does.
I did n ot expect the chorus of defense lawyers from a LEGITIMATE question that was posed. BLIND FAITH and I was just a piece of shit that showed up??
I was looking at everyones best interest and it was unappreciated. We were out there collecting money for charity and there were LIES on the site. Then it is all hush hush but all anyone has to do is a whois on worldjet and there is Gary’s name.
I started getting emails from folks asking questions. Sal posted one of those emails. They were bona fide questions that DESRVED bona fide answers. Those answers were not forthcoming. But the defenders went on the defense. Not even asking what they should. Like they did not even want to know the answers.
I took the site down and then Gary makes a post. I was on IM with someone and predicted that post. It took 9 minutes after waiting for several HOURS.
Asking for charitable donations is SERIOUS. You don’t LIE, you don’t even bend the truth. You state FACTS. When it became apparent that they were not facts and no ANSWERS, I called Howard. He advised me to pull the site as did about 6 other members.
There is nothing here I have not told Gary directly tonight. I did not want to take the site down. BUT THERE WAS NO CHOICE. My NAME was on it and that is NOT how “I” do business.
Then after I take the site down….I get a call from Howard that the FBI called him. That confirmed where there was smoke there is fire. My gut instinct was not that far off base. The FBI does not just call. Some of you folks want to minimize that. BULLSHIT!
That set me off. That upset the hell out of me. That STILL may be a BIG PROBLEM.
But my friends here could not see the position Howard and I were in. Blind faith made them blind to it and I lost it! THAT was the last straw. Been trying for YEARS to get the FBI on the phone about domain hijacking. I open a charity site and in less than 48 hous they are calling me. That SUCKS! That is not acceptable.
Gary could have put my mind at ease by simply giving a straight answer to a delcate question. The more time that elapsed the more the problem grew. I still don’t know the facts of it all. But I do know something ain’t adding up.
If MY NAME is on something it has to be LEGIT. 1000% legit and here I am running this thing and there are WAY too many clouds for the way I conduct business. ESPECIALLY when I am asking for MONEY. ESPECIALLY when I and others are putting our reputations on the line. ESPECIALLY when I am emailing all TRAFFIC attendees. Especially all of this.
Then you wonder about “Tipping the wings”. Then there is the question of how many flights Gary made this week. Do any of you know the REAL answer?? From the posts I was lead to beleive he was running back and forth. That does not seem to be the case.
Then of course there was the baby story. No names, no locations, no hospitals and on and on. It was not one thing it was the weight of all this put together.
I have nothing against Gary. I just have a problem when things are not on the up and up and I had my doubts and I have been doing this way to long to IGNORE those doubts.
There is more, but I am TIRED and FRIED and VERY disappointed on how this played out.
I did nothing but look out for everyone here. INCLUDING Gary. I did nothing but try and PROTECT all of our reputations which has ALWAYS been #1 HERE. Some did not appreciate that. After so many years….I just could not beleive the reaction. It was like I told a kid that Santa Claus may not be real.
There is more but that is between Gary and me. Like I said, I told him everything I have posted here and more. I always lay my cards on the table.
So…if you folks can’t understand….tene what can I say other than you disaappoint me. I have never done anything bad to any of you. Just tried to make your lives better and make your life more rewarding by doing whatever it is I do.
I tried to do something good that we could all get behind as domainers. As friends. If I did anything else but pulling the site I could not live with myself. It was the RIGHT thing to do given what had been revealed and the LEGAL EXPOSURE.
So there it is. I wish Gary luck. I don’t want him not to succeeed. But I STILL have VERY SERIOUS doubts on some of the stories. We have NO bad feelings between us. I did what I believed was RIGHT to get to the TRUTH because MY NAME was on it and the only thing we have is our reputations. For those that don’t get that…the hell with you! I could care less and would do the same thing over again given the circumstances.
Good night!
Rick Schwartz ( Domain King ) – eRealEstate.com
Posted in ‘General Conversation’: Fri Sep 02, 2005 11:03 pm – #25613 (reply, quote)
And finally this LONG post that would not fit here that puts it all together:
http://erealestate.com/kraser.html
So NOW the record is straight for ALL TIME and in REAL TIME back in 2005!
And I will end it the same way I did then
Good night!
@ Rick
“WADND money all went to the Verisign.com lawsuit which is still alive under cfit but nobody supports that either even tho we are winning!! We have a chance to stop all the increases.”
————–
1) Well that truly get’s my attention……. Could you elucidate on the specifics on this status ? …. Verisign’s monopolistic pricing practices & increases have been unconscionable and unfair !
2) I only vividly remember when the pigeon droppings hit the fan and “The Board” was shut down when Jay Westerdal was alleged to be reading/accessing the private forum way after he was booted off.
3) Take it easy please, or Don King may recruit and promote you for a HBO fight WebCast “The King In The Ring” – j/k
No Worries !
Rick, sometimes I think you cause yourself a lot of pain. They didn’t turn on you. They believed in Gary based on their own “facts”. Those are the people you want to keep as friends and forgive them for their difference in opinions and mistakes in judgment. Forgive them for maybe not saying it nicely. Why? Because you always know they will defend you just as strongly. Those are the folks I want as friends and still, though, I got the same calls and emails that you did, I value their friendship because they have shown me how strong they are standing up for somebody they believe in. We all need friends like that even though they may make mistakes now and then.
The $3000 was voted on and used to help finance the Verisgn suit. The Verisign suit is STILL working its way thru the legal system but WADND exhausted all funds and it has been going on the time donated by Howard and others.
I do know cfit had a very big win a couple weeks ago and is in a position to defeat verisign and the increases. Howard knows much more as he is directly involved. So I hope he will chime in with the facts as I don’t know them.
I never got a chance to vote and asked several others and nobody got to vote that I spoke to. Would you mind forwarding that to me please?
Rick, I am sure people like Adam Strong, Steve Sax, Scott Ross and the other people you named using direct posts from your PRIVATE FORUM really appreciate you mentioning them in connection with all of this. I can only hope that your committment to the industry is stronger than the committment you made to your board members when you told them that what was said on your forum would remain CONFIDENTIAL, a committment you broke here today. I think you just opened your very own pandoras box.
Why don’t you give me a list of everyone and everything they contributed because nothing I am going to say will you believe and you bring it up and it has been answered year after year and it is never good enough. How about taking my word? How about that for once? Im already PROVED that it was YOUR memory that is not working well. You are now 2 for 2. Quit while you are behind.
How much did you put in? We all agreed what do do. So for $3k I am going to lie? Howard is going to lie? The “Friends” you talk about did not take my work when I exposed Air Katrina just like RIGHT NOW after all these YEARS you still can’t bring yourself to take my word for face value.
All these “Friends” came to my living room, ate the thought food, made relationships that changed their lives and when their SCORN turns to me and HATE is the only bi-product. Who the fuck needs that SHIT in their lives?
And George, I heard the same CRAP when I turned over the transcripts to the FBI. It exonerated me and everyone and showed the guilty party! You expect me to worry about their privacy when lies are flying?? Are you nuts? NO WAY PAL! How selfish can you get? Tell the FBI “No”?? That was what some wanted me to do. SCREW THAT!
Telling the FBI is one thing, publishing the same posts in the comments section of this blog is quite another.
And for context. Go to erealestate.com and go to kraser.html which did not post earlier proably cuz it looked like a spam link.
You are correct, Rick. I am 2 for 2
Rick,
This quote you posted shows you’re completely full of it. “Gary,
You must figure a way to ease all of our minds and it MUST be done right here. This is not a public board. It will stay in this room.
But the MAJORITY of members have DEEP DOUBTS. They can NOT be ignored. It is THEIR donations. THEIR contributions and you need to satisfy THEM….more than me.”
You plainly told Gary that the “Majority” of members of the board were questioning him then you claim here that it was all you leading the blind. You are definitely a complete egomaniac! Get some help.
And on another note, it’s quite revealing that you’ll go completely out of your way to post what were suppose to be private comments on your private board here yet you completely avoid posting voting facts on how the funds for the domain defense fund were allocated.
People here that actually contributed are questioning your statement that you somehow allowed them a vote on how to allocate those funds. Step up and prove them wrong with actual proof my friend. It’s obvious you have no qualms posting supposedly private things so you definitely can’t hide behind that barrier. Step up and show your integrity and prove your earlier statement here otherwise it’s all “pigeon shit” coming from your mouth.
This will all go away if you simply prove it once and for all but I’m quite sure you’ll go off on another hyperventilated rant in attempt to take this in another direction in order to avoid coming clean.
MSK,
For the RECORD…..
BEFORE there was a “Majority” there were very few who doubted him.
Jeff Reynolds
John Holland
Sahar ((The only one to meet him personally)
Myself
Then like I said, I called Donna and she too thought things began not to add up. But some had some pretty nasty and mean things to say. And they were wrong. And to this day, they still do what they do. 5 YEARS later.
We had to sway nearly everyone else on the board. So the only way to convince somebody that won’t listen to FACTS is?? Oh that’s right, you can’t. It can’t be done and proof once again.
I have nearly 20 pages of archives just on Kraser and maybe best to finally publish it publicly for all to see and then folks can see what the same HATEFUL people said then and why 5 years later they still dog me.
As for the board being private. Whether you like it or not, I own the material. It is copyrighted and I can do what I want. I may make it an ebook so folks see the history of the industry and who has credibility and who were shill bidders and all the rest. “What is said here stays here” was fine when the board was active. Now it s a piece of history. A time line of nearly everything that unfolded in the domain biz from 2000-2007. Most was very good and positive. The Kraser episode was one of the lowest points.
There is nothing I can say to satisfy those with an agenda and/or hiding behind anonymity. But even for them, my board changed their lives. I got HATE in return that follows me to this day. Never could EVER bring themselves to just give me the benefit of the doubt…..EVER! On anything. But are quick to find imperfection on everything they can.
Even in face of facts, to no avail. But the fair minded people get it and those are the folks that count.
MSK,
I will publish the contents of the entire board and you folks can wade thru it and find it. THEN you can ALL say you are sorry and you were wrong. Oh I forgot, not one of you is capable of doing that because you have an agenda of HATE!
Let the industry see what these folks did to get them thrown off my board. Why I don’t deal with them. Why they can fool others and hate me. Why they post anon.
They will see the names they recognize and how it all evolved. Then I will NEVER have to deal with it ever again. It may surprise some folks BIG TIME!
“BEFORE there was a “Majority” there were very few who doubted him.
Jeff Reynolds
John Holland
Sahar ((The only one to meet him personally)
Myself”
And yet you didn’t have the decency to atleast give even those folks credit before going on your lone ranger, it was all ME ME ME rant. Yup, it’s all about you all the time. You’re so full of contradictions it’s amazing.
And once again, stop avoiding the Domain Defense Fund issue. People that contributed funds deserve an honest and upfront answer. Stop skirting the truth.
It’s funny how you and Howard took all the momentum and goodwill you gained at the last TRAFFIC and flushed it down the toilet with your childish and selfish rants. Good job!
You should go ahead and post the ENTIRE and unedited archives of TTF. I’d love people to see all the BS predictions you’ve made over the years that never came to pass. You definitely do love to cherry pick the ones that did.
I think you’ll find that you have a lot more to be embarrassed about than most of the members.
This is where the $3000 went. This lawsuit is STILL ongoing via CFIT. Everyone associated has been volunteering their time for YEARS! But HOW DARE you try and make it like we took $3000 and never accounted for it. That is a LIE and you know it but some have an agenda!
BULLETIN….November 28, 2005
WADND.COM files lawsuit against ICANN and Verisign alleging that the two have engaged in antitrust activities, including conspiracy, monopolization, illegal price fixing and monopolizing “.com” and “.net” domain name markets. The suit alleges that the two are on the verge of entering “an unlawful agreement [that] gives VeriSign a permanent monopoly over the all ‘.com’ and ‘.net’ internet domain name registrations.”
Go to erealestate.com and then Complaint(ver4)(3).pdf to see where the $$$ went!! Don’t EVER say we did not account for the $$$. It’s a fucking lie that has been perpetuated by some because of hate for me and regardless of the facts.
Like I said, you can’t bring yourself to give ME the benefit of the doubt no matter what I say, have done etc. I am just a thief?? That is what you are saying and don’t even make me go further cuz it WILL get ugly fast.
One hyperventilated rant to defer the truth – check.
From your own words from a post here yesterday:
“The $3000 was voted on and used to help finance the Verisgn suit.”
Once again, those are your own words. Prove that you allowed contributors to vote, Mr. Holier than thou. You’re honesty and integrity are directly being challenged yet you continue to skirt the issue. I thought you wore everything on your sleeve yet you’re continuously slithering around the topic.
MSK,
Why don’t YOU tell folks WHY you got tossed off my board??
Why don’t you tell folks that you yourself steal, lie and got caught?
Why don’t you tell folks your real name?
Because you are a ballless wonder that won’t sign their WORTHLESS name to their words because then folks would have to consider the source and all your shenanigans. Then they can match with all those posts and you look like the lowlife you are.
Owen is working on a few things so don’t run away. I am sure you will, want to read what he says. I know facts are of no interest to you. But I think he will be taking your mask off.
No need for threats Rick.
I simply pointed out that all the “ME” in your post should have been “WE”
I didn’t question what WADND did with the money. I questioned the vote since a common question among us who donated is” What happened to the rest of the money” as we all donated with the understanding that we voted on how it was used and not one of us voted. Us being the 5 or 6 I talked to. I don’t see that I am out of line asking to see the original vote letter since I donated too. And to answer your question about how much I donated One donation of $750 and another for $375
Wonder why others aren’t speaking up here…maybe because they knew you would revert to things getting ugly
LOL Rick, I must admit, you are truly the master of deception:
“Why don’t YOU tell folks WHY you got tossed off my board??
Why don’t you tell folks that you yourself steal, lie and got caught?
Why don’t you tell folks your real name?”
You make that statement as if you somehow know who I am. I can guarantee that you don’t and whomever you think your referring to it’s incorrect. In fact, I’ll challenge you to post who you are referring to because I think your above statement is another blatant fabrication in order to give folks here a perception that you are somehow fighting some shady character. Just another trick out of the old Rick trick book to smokescreen the truth.
Back to the facts Rick, who voted how the Domain Defense Funds were allocated on how? No amount of wild accusations will make this simple question go away. It’s so easy to prove it wrong yet you continue to avoid it. Why is that Mr. honesty?
Will you apologize and put your real name when others come out today and tell you the FACTS?? Or will you just start another fishing expedition?
No Rick, why don’t YOU tell us the facts. You had no issues doing so with the Katrina issue. I’m sure you’ll have no problem rounding up a couple of your groupies to come on here and vouch for you.
Post some actual documents on the vote. How about a letter or something you sent out to collect those votes? Easy as pie my friend.
NO????
Well that says it all. You are a waste of time. But you will still be discredited.
I won’t hold my breath. I’m sure everyone has seen you dance around this issue enough.
@Donna, Johnny and the pinheads who hide behind aliases like Curious George and MSK
I didn’t want to get in to this firestorm as 1. – it has nothing to do with the blog topic of supporting our elected officials who understand and take an interest in the domain industry, – 2. – it is simply a smokescreen raised by Oversee supporters (some would call them “flunkies” or “henchmen” who do the dirty work) because the company has been embarrassed by the support that we have received from the community in outing their “backdoor” practices – and 3. – there was no “theft” and there was no “vote”. The reason that Donna and the pinheads didn’t know that is because they contributed nothing to the Defense Fund. Those who did were contacted individually by ME to ask them if they would like to have their share of the balance in the Fund to go toward the WADND v. Verisign suit that had been filed in California to invalidate the ICANN-Verisign contract that is costing every one of us thousands of $$ due to Verisign’s arbitrary raising the cost of registering .com and .net tlds. All of the profits that WADND made from the very first T.R.A.F.F.I.C. were used to fund the law suit. Also, folks like Nat Cohen and others stepped up to the plate and contributed funds as Federal Lawsuits are extremely expensive.
Finally, I shut down my blog on Oversee practices, because it was being used by the very same pinheads and others that have not yet posted here, to attack me, Rick and T.R.A.F.F.I.C. with identical motivation as has been displayed here. I’m only sorry that Rick wasted his time defending Air Katrina and all of the other NONSENSE that the pinheads have raised. I predict that now that I have posted on this blog, the same naysayers will start attacking me. That is why I have asked Mike Berkens to shut down this thread as it has nothing to do with the blog topic originated by him.
Howard, it is a lie that I didn’t contribute to the Domain Defense Fund. Here is one receipt, I have others but one is enough to prove your lie:
Payment Sent (Unique Transaction ID #6PP58265T6973331S)
Original Transaction Date Type Status Details Amount Jan 31, 2002 Payment To LAW OFFICE OF HOWARD NEU, P.A. Completed … -$500.00 USD
Related Transaction Date Type Status Details Amount Jan 31, 2002 Add Funds from a Bank Account Completed Details $500.00 USD
Business Name:
LAW OFFICE OF HOWARD NEU, P.A. Email:
howard@neulaw.com
Business Contact Information
Customer Service URL: http://TARGETEDTRAFFIC.com Customer Service Email: howard@neulaw.com Customer Service Phone: 954-662-1816
Amount sent:
-$500.00 USD Fee amount:
$0.00 USD Net amount:
-$500.00 USD
Date:
Jan 31, 2002 Time:
17:16:36 PST Status:
Completed
Subject:
LAW OFFICE OF HOWARD NEU, P.A. Note:
Howard Please put this in the name James Mahony as thats how all my names are registered Thanks Win LAW OFFICE OF HOWARD NEU, P.A. TRUST ACCOUNT with a designation FOR DOMAIN DEFENSE FUND. Funding Type:
Instant Transfer Funding Source:
$500.00 USD – tremont credit union Checking (Confirmed) x-7234
Hey guys
I have no idea of why this discussion is taking place on this blog, on this post which was to remind everyone was about A Congressman and A candidate for Congress coming to the TRAFFIC show.
All of these issues are way outside of the subject matter of that post.
This discussion is well beyond anything to do with the subject matter, seems to involve events issues that are from a date and time before this blog was even in existence.
It is much better suited for a board or a forum.
Was there a vote or wasn’t there..Rick says yes Howard says no…then Howard says he contacted the contributors and asked permission..get your answers straight guys.
on the airkatrina topic.. rick is correct, he saw the truth before the rest of us and tried to convince us but his words fell on deaf ears. i almost lost $25k on that scam being caught up in the moment and appreciate rick refusing to let that happen.
honestly, it amazes me that folks continue to nitpick over things of the past trying to make rick out to be the bad guy… i’ve known him for 10 years and attribute the majority of my wealth and success in this industry to the knowledge and contacts i made and gained on his board in the early years
rick.. if it’s any comfort, there are plenty of us out here who still love you and appreciate everything you’ve done for us and for this industry over the years, if i were you i would just ignore all these morons and move on.
Rick, by posting comments made on your board you have betrayed the trust and confidence of your memebers. I am going to hold you to your promise of publishing the contents of the board. If you do not do it I WILL. Then the world will see once and for all what a creep you really are. Sure, you can pick a post here or there that makes you look noble but you know and I know, along with anyone and everyone who was ever an active member there the publication of your boards contents will not be flattering, to YOU, to HOWARD and to many others. As you said its time to clear the air. Lets see if you REALLY ARE a man of your word and lets see if you really have the balls to publish the board contents. It will be the end of you which is fitting because your best before date is long past Rick. Let the world see you and your cronies for who YOU REALLY ARE once and for all. Like I said, DO it or I WILL.
Having said that I have to give credit where credit is due. You should be on dancing with the stars. the way you weave and move to change subjects, defect criticizm and derail conversations is nothing short of fantastic. Having said that you never really addressed the comments made by “contributor” who made an excellent point about you asking for everyone in your world for $25 and then shitting from on high to the guy whos contribution was less than cab fair. What somba are you going to dance to to change that?
You want to talk facts? Howard called Mahoney a LIAR and said she never contributed to the domain defense fund. NOW SHE POSTS A CONTRIBUTION RECIEPT. I think it may be YOU who is BLIND Rick. YOU who operates with an agenda of HATE. YOU are no longer 2 for 2 Rick, care to set the record straight. WILL YOU AND HOWARD APOLOGIZE NOW THAT YOU HAVE BEEN PROVEN WRONG?
DO WHAT YOU SAID YOU WOULD DO AND PUBLISH THE BOARD RICK, set history straight and show the world who you and howard really are.
Might not be the place Mike, sorry for that but it was Rick who sent out a mass mailing asking for people to chime in here.
Sorry Donna, but YOU are the one who is lying and fabricating:
Author: Donna Mahony
Comment:
Howard, it is a lie that I didn’t contribute to the Domain Defense Fund. Here is one receipt, I have others but one is enough to prove your lie:
Payment Sent (Unique Transaction ID #6PP58265T6973331S)
Original Transaction Date Type Status Details Amount Jan 31, 2002 Payment To LAW OFFICE OF HOWARD NEU, P.A. Completed … -$500.00 USD
Related Transaction Date Type Status Details Amount Jan 31, 2002 Add Funds from a Bank Account Completed Details $500.00 USD
Business Name:
LAW OFFICE OF HOWARD NEU, P.A. Email:
howard@neulaw.com
Business Contact Information
Customer Service URL: http://TARGETEDTRAFFIC.com Customer Service Email:
THIS URL WAS NEVER USED FOR MY LAW OFFICE AND WAS NOT USED BY T.R.A.F.F.I.C. UNTIL 2005 -SEE http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://targetedtraffic.com
howard@neulaw.com Customer Service Phone: 954-662-1816
THIS WAS NOT MY PHONE NUMBER UNTIL 2010
Amount sent:
-$500.00 USD Fee amount:
$0.00 USD Net amount:
-$500.00 USD
Date:
Jan 31, 2002 Time:
17:16:36 PST Status:
Completed
Subject:
LAW OFFICE OF HOWARD NEU, P.A. Note:
Howard Please put this in the name James Mahony as thats how all my names are registered Thanks Win LAW OFFICE OF HOWARD NEU, P.A. TRUST ACCOUNT with a designation FOR DOMAIN DEFENSE FUND. Funding Type:
Instant Transfer Funding Source:
$500.00 USD – tremont credit union Checking (Confirmed) x-7234
I WAS DOING LEGAL WORK FOR YOU – THAT’S WHY YOU WANTED ME TO PUT IT IN JAMES MAHONEY’S NAME, BECAUSE THAT’S HOW ALL YOUR NAMES ARE REGISTERED.
If it is a paypal transaction and it was a receipt pulled up from your transaction history, the current contact information for the person you sent money to would be shown, not the historic no longer current information.
Just sayin . . .
Rather see a screen shot? Those things are updated by PayPal on every transaction past and present once YOU change them in your PayPal account! Anyone with an early transaction to you in their PayPal account can pull it up on their own and see the same thing.
I just sent Howard a forward of an email between him and myself re my donations. Might refresh his memory. I am against publishing private emails but will happily forward to any who ask.
Holy crap…we are still debating the Air Katrina thing how many years later? Kraser has likely moved on, but we haven’t. Who’s really in prison then? As for the WADND/Verisign thing, I supported the use of funds in that manner and still would today. It blows my mind that our “industry” is being picked apart and that while Rome burns, we continue to pound the shit out of each other. Why? To what end? How does that increase your revenues, safeguard your investments or protect your future?
Maybe I’m missing something, but I haven’t figured out a way to monetize these kinds of debates.
Many don’t love Rick. Who cares? Don’t read his posts or go to his conferences. I happen to like him a lot and, I owe much of my success from real humble beginnings to Rick and his board.
There’s never going to a meeting of the minds of most of this crap. Nobody is going to change their minds and nothing is going to be accomplished.
Life is short. Move on.
Jeff,
The point is two of the “supposed” leaders of our industry have blatantly lied in these comments. These are the kind of lying loudmouths you want representing this industry?
It’s an embarrassment if you ask me and that’s why you’re seeing a backlash against them. Many people have had just about enough of their outbursts and attention whoring to satisfy Rick’s ego. He just loves the attention, good or bad.
I feel bad for the thousands of visitors who don’t know
anything about this feud.
It appears this thread has developed into the continuance
of a vendetta.
The same viciousness I have been witnessing for years.
I am tired of the lies here. Since Howard denies receipt of the funds I donated, I am contacting the Florida Supreme Court and the Florida bar and supplying posts from here, archives of Ricks board, my own email records and PayPal transactions. All I wanted originally was a simple answer.
Donna, Rick, Howard
As one of the longest board members along with yourselves I do remember the discussions concerning the disposal of the money. Howard used to send out emails like this:
ATTENTION DOMAIN DEFENSE FUND MEMBERS:
We have received a request for funding to defend an ACPA law suit filed in
Nebraska by XXXXXXXXX against XXX and XXXXXXX on the domains
XXXXXXXX.com and XXXXXX.com. Both of these names are
trademarked by the complainant, but XXXX has used the domains SOLELY to
point to the Plaintiff’s web sites as part of an affiliate program. Both
the Plaintiff and the Defendants have benefitted financially over the past
two years from this arrangement.
Due to the past association I believe that this law suit is defensible.
There is presently $3,140.00 in the Fund. XXXX did not request a specific
amount, so if you vote FOR funding his defense, please let us know the
amount that you believe should be used for funding. If there are sufficint
YES votes, we will average the amounts included in all of the votes to
determine the amount of funding that will be available to his attorney. He
has indicated that he would like me to represent him, but we have no retainer at
this time.
Howard Neu, Esq.
LAW OFFICE OF HOWARD NEU, P.A.
1152 NORTH UNIVERSITY DRIVE
PEMBROKE PINES, FL 33024
954-431-3990
FAX 954-431-5113
howard “at” neulaw.com
And I do recall a discussion about the money going to WADND and recall voting on it. I was totally in favour of it.
As far as Kraser is concerned I remember writing Rick and remarking that if he had really flown within a mile of airforce 1 they would have blown him out of the air. It was that claim that really soured me. I’m not sure just who was really instrumental in the final outing but I do know lots of board members were writing Rick about their concerns.
Regardless of all this it was all a long time ago and all of you are great people. I’ve been proud to be associated with all of you over the years. I count Rick as being one of the greatest influences in my life and Donna as a warm hearted wonderful internet friend.
Can’t we just forget all this and kiss and make up. Or at least stop sniping at each other. It pains me to see it.
Gordon
DropWizard
Gordon, I agree and got those emails myself in the past, however nothing on the wadnd thing which I just may have agreed to, had I been asked. My issue now is that Howard claims he got nothing from me and that I faked the receipt. My reputation is important to me and I have always kept it clean. Now I will prove I did not lie and did not fake any receipt even if it takes an audit to prove it.
Donna:
he must have had something from you because nobody belonged to the DDF unless they contributed $$$. And your email address is one of the member addresses on the email I just posted.
Gordon
Thank you for posting that Gordon.
Donna
My old records are stored away i the warehouse. If you say that you contributed to the DDF then I have to assume that it is true as I have no way of checking at this time.
N.P. Donna.
Now if everyone could accept that I do remember the discussion regarding moving the $$$$ and the outcome being a yes. I honestly don’t remember whether it was just on the board or by email but I do remember it.
And kraser was a very sick person. I feel only pity for him regardless of who outed him.
@ Jeff
“Maybe I’m missing something, but I haven’t figured out a way to monetize these kinds of debates.”
—————
Well, if/when David Kesmodel writes a sequel book —-> “The Domain Game 2” …. there is plenty of new dramatic content here and within the last month alone in the “Domain sector” to add some extra sizzle and sales to the book….seriously
Howard, that’s what you should have said instead of this:
Sorry Donna, but YOU are the one who is lying and fabricating
You don’t have to assume it’s true, you’ll be pulling those records out of storage soon enough.
“My old records are stored away i the warehouse. If you say that you contributed to the DDF then I have to assume that it is true as I have no way of checking at this time”
Huh? What happened to your fabrication and lies position. Don’t ya just hate it when the TRUTH gets in the way Howard. Good luck with the Florida Bar investigation, your gonna need it.
Guess Howards PayPal password is stored in his warehouse too. He could have looked it up and seen his own comment to me written there:
Thanks Win LAW OFFICE OF HOWARD NEU, P.A. TRUST ACCOUNT with a designation FOR DOMAIN DEFENSE FUND.
I have invoices and matching receipts for work he did for me so that excuse isn’t going to fly either.
This is some sad sad stuff. The whole lot of it.
you can remove my comment as i was addressing the question from biggie.us about use of the term “industry”
it’s a somewhat confused answer anyway, and includes some errors.
connations==>connotations
these sites rely on…==>these sites use
loses==>losses
@Donna, just because you sent Howard money for DDF, that doesn’t actually mean you contributed to the DDF right? I’m sure you know the history to which I allude.
I am aware Bob but since I will be taking this in a different direction tomorrow morning, I won’t be discussing this in public anymore.
OUTRAGEOUS! We have an industry leader, and I use that term loosely, calling a poster a liar TWICE and a fabricator only to then admit that he has no idea if what she said was true or not. Howard, have you no respect for another persons reputation> This wasn’t an anonymous poster, the name was clearly posted and you know her. Then give a lame excuse that your files are in a warehouse. PayPal is available and you only had to search the transaction she gave you, yet you choose to call her a liar and fabricator. No apologies just a lame excuse like we are all stupid enough to believe you couldn’t check this out. Shame on you and shame on everyone here for allowing this BS without speaking up. Lots of threats in this thread..posters claiming they will publish old forum files, Rick threatening to do it…somehow, I do believe Mahoney will follow through with hers. OUTRAGEOUS!!
@Donna
I wasn’t going to make any more posts on this, but I must set the record straight. I found out how to search my Paypal history, thanks to this thread, and went back to all of the transactions in my account for 2002, 2003 and 2004. The History reflects that you DID make a payment of $500 on January 31, 2002, but it was in the name of IWIN, so that is why I could not find it earlier and you never mentioned that in your post. I believe that this payment was for legal services rendered.
The problem arises that you stated that you made 2 payments into the DDF for $375 and $750. I guess we may all have memory lapses, because I could find no payments in those amounts in any of the above years. I regret calling you a liar, but the tone of your previous post was upsetting. Maybe you made these payments in some other manner or at some other time. In any event, there is no Paypal record of these payments in the above years.
I may be just another pinhead but I can clearly see TRUST FUND and DOMAIN DEFENSE FUND on the statement shown. It looks to me from Howards insistance that it was for legal fees that he is setting himself up with and “oops, my mistake” defense. You must have owed taxes again.
I also got an email from Mr. Schwartz asking me to post here in his defense. Rick says there was a vote. Howard says there was no vote yet a poster here says he voted. I guess he got the email from Rick too. Something smells like a turd in the stew here.
“vote yet a poster here says he voted. I guess he got the email from Rick too. Something smells like a turd in the stew here.”
The only thing that ever smells like shit are the anonymous posters that are too afraid to put down their own name. Grow a pair of balls little man.
Donna knows me well enough to know I’d only tell the truth here. Do you think she’s be thanking me if she thought I was lying?
Moron!
I must be getting more senile than others because I can’t remember
a lot of things I did 5, 6, 8 years ago.
(didn’t topic)
It always fascinates me when someone can state where they were
2 years, 3 days, 4 hours ago. And, also remember what others
said at that time.
Howard, you should be more like Rick and “trust your gut”. You’d be wise to quit posting here. Everytime you open your mouth more and more lies just pop out. Above you say
“I found out how to search my Paypal history, thanks to this thread, and went back to all of the transactions in my account for 2002, 2003 and 2004. The History reflects that you DID make a payment of $500 on January 31, 2002, but it was in the name of IWIN, so that is why I could not find it earlier and you never mentioned that in your post.”
Help me out here. In the opening sentence you seem to be indicating that you didn’t know how to search your paypal history something you learned “thanks to this thread” (I won’t mention that the fact you don’t know know how to search your paypal history makes you unsuitable to be a leader in anything related to Tech but thats a thread for another time I suppose) AND THEN you go on to say that the payment was made in the name of IWIN “so that is why I could not find it earlier”
So help out all the moronic domainers out there, was the reason that you could not confirm the contribution due to the fact that you did not know how to use paypal history or that you couldn’t connect the name to the payment? Make up your mind.
No if I were to offer you any legal advise it would be that you quit posting publicly, as everything you say only serves to incriminate you further. You have already publicly libeled, slandered and defamed someone in this thread and I wouldn’t want to see things get any worse.
Donna,
I am confused. Above you posted you sent 2 amounts. One of $750 and one for $375.
Later you posted a receipt for $500. Please explain that discrepancy?
I also think that YOU are the one coming publicly accusing Howard of doing something wrong 8 YEARS ago and not providing ANY level of proof at all but trying to soil his reputation and that is not going to continue. That is a pretty shitty thing to do.
In fact, you have several different people coming forward and do remember emails, discussions etc. So it is CLEAR that perhaps your memory may just not be in sync with the facts of the time as posted by those people.
So STOP! Provide PROOF! The burden is on YOU after 8 YEARS!! Do not continue your slander. Chalk it up to something we all do, remember things differently. It happens. Maybe the agenda is clouding your judgment. Maybe 8 years is just a long time. That was why I asked for help so we could piece the TRUTH and FACTS together. Of course if the TRUTH is not your goal, than continue with your friends, and your destructive agenda.
If you continue at this point, there is nothing more to say. The FACTS speak louder than all the bullshit in the world. You and your anon cronies need to stop your agenda of hate and accusations. This is a smoke screen to throw the light off what folks did at TRAFFIC that did not pay and should be ashamed of themselves. Those are the THIEVES and they have to live with what they did.
Now let’s stop the bullshit for once and for all and move on. Life is too short for this CRAP. CRAP! That is all it is. Is it worth it? Spend some time with Mahoney and enjoy life!
I wish you would have heard Simon T Bailey. What a shame to waste your energy on an agenda of hate and whatever else is going on.
The rest of you are invisible morons. But anyone legit in the industry can put a name and a face on those posts. Even if they get the name wrong, they got the group right. You have all branded yourselves and that is why you can’t put your name on those paosts. Your REAL names are already soiled and worthless and you only have yourselves to blame.
I have said what I needed to say and the facts will stand longer than all the bullshit you can conjure up.
If Howard is lying, if I am lying then Stephen is lying, Jeff is lying, Gordon is lying and the only one not lying is Donna Mahoney and a chorus of anonymous pinheads that won’t even sign their name to their words. Sounds like a hollow agenda. It’s over Donna. Let it go. Move on. Howard did anything wrong. So start THERE!
I’m positive many people know who I am.
I’m not hiding.
I just don’t want to promote a site.
🙂
Rick does this mean that Howard and Owen won’t be naming names on their blogs? Dagnabbit!
Guess we’ll never see the forum archives either. I knew Rick was blowing hot air but I though Pinhead Number 9 would do it.
In The Florida Bar v. Breed, 378 So.2d 783 (Fla. 1979), the
Supreme Court of Florida stated that “misuse of client’s funds is
one of the most serious offenses.” In addition, the Court
stated:
We give notice to the legal profession of this
state that henceforth we will not be reluctant to
disbar an attorney for this type of offense even
though no client is injured.
What a terrible reflection of the domain community (certainly not an industry) this comment section has been where we have notable high profile domain community leaders imploding and destroying any good that that may have come out the recent best ever traffic miami show. How can anyone who has read this thru have any respect for domainers as a community. it just confirms the commonly held view that domainers are a bunch of cowboys that can never be taken seriously as a industry. This will leak out to mainstream press if it hasn’t already and do irreparable damage. I for one am discussted.
I agree, Sad that 2 men in Howard and Ricks position are would rather make a public spectacle of themselves than give an accounting of trust fund monies. If it’s all as it should be, it seems that Mahony is making a reasonable request. If not, the name calling begins. Man up guys. What are you hiding that you fight so hard rather show the debits and credits of the trust fund. It seems so easy. A little deep research of all the parties involved gave me a clue though. And why do they keep bringing up Oversee? The end result of this could be far worse than not buying a silly conference pass.
I am also a member of DDF who did not get to vote although I am a long standing member of Ricks private forum and one of the earliest supports of this fund. (I have one email address and it has remained the same since 1999) I don’t like diversions and smoke screens. Rick is confused about amounts, I am not, it is clearly stated that that was just one receipt. We refilled the account and sometimes added more at various times. My Daddy taught me to keep good records and I have the terms of the funds clearly stated in a post by Howard. It says we get one vote for each dollar donated and not only did I not get notice of this, Howard clearly states here in a public blog that THERE WAS NO VOTE! Therefore, I will also be filing a complaint.
Terms of the DDF:
The following persons maintain the following balances in the DOMAIN DEVELOPERS account. As those of you who participated may recall, there were certain start-up and organizational expenses incurred in the failed negotiations to get it off the ground. These balances will be transferred to the new DOMAIN DEFENSE FUND and the old account will be closed. If any of the below participants does NOT wish to be part of the new fund, please send me an e-mail to that effect and I will send you out a refund check.
(Names removed)
Once again, this is being transferred into an interest-bearing account and there will be no legal fees or bank charges assessed against this account. All participants shall have one vote for each $ contributed. It takes 50% + 1 vote of the participants to provide funds to any qualified applicant to defend any litigation (UDRP or ACPA). Unless the members of this fund vote otherwise, a person must be a member of this (Rick’s) board to qualify for funds.
If any one has any suggestions other than what I’ve already stated for the operation of this board, please e-mail them to me. Weekly updates of the moneys available in the fund shall be provided through postings to this board. All future contributions to the fund will be acknowledged by e-mail from me. Please provide an e-mail address when making a contribution.
howard,
Thu Jul 19 13:42:02 2001 – 64.12.104.162 – message #24575
@DDF Member
Would you please contact me via the contact page on DomainBoardroom.com ? I have some info to share for the complaint and a few questions. It will be kept in the strictest confidence. TIA
@ddf member
That email is from 2001 and mine is from 2004 which shows the fund had been operating for some time without problems.
I also note that your email (and I vaguely remember that one) gives an opt out which is your vote. If you didn’t like it… get your money back. What could be simpler?
If you chose not to that is “your vote”.
Honestly all this stuff after almost 10 years…. 🙁