I couldn’t help but notice (especially when one of the readers pointed it out to me) that DuiAttorney.co sold for $44,500 in the Land Rush Auctions, which is more than I sold duiattorney.org for earlier this year.
Several months ago I sold DuiAttorney.org through Sedo.com for $35,000 which at the time most thought was a fair price.
However in the latest .Co Land Rush Auction report I posted yesterday, DuiAttorney.co sold for $10K more than the .Org.
So the question is are .Co domain now worth more than .Org domains or are ALL domains now worth more because of the amounts being paid in the land rush auctions.
How much more is DuiAttorney.com worth now that someone has ponied up $45K for the .co?
Or are they completely different animals having no bearing on each other?
Personally my domain name, Duilawyer.org is going to now be priced into the six figures based off of these sales.
Are you going to increase the asking prices of your .com’s based off these .co sales?
Didn’t we the same thing with .mobi, .info, .eu and .asia?
We couldn’t get enough of them so the price kept
going higher and higher.
Everyone felt those tlds were uncut diamonds.
Buy them before others discovered they were too cheap.
Then, the bottom fell out their market value.
I’m also waiting to see the value in .co. I’m hearing the buzz, but just not seeing any bidding buzz on sites like sedo and flipping.co. Though I’ve seen lists of .co domain names that have sold, I think the list is extremely small compared to the over 500,000 domains that have been grabbed up. I’m wondering like the above poster if only a few will get these top dollar prices and then after a few months things will go dormant. Also, I really wonder if the corporate world knows about .co – I suspect a lot don’t know there is a new domain out there. It is, however, fun to watch the buzz right now.
I find it amusing that you made a $35k sale and it slipped your mind already. 🙂
No, I think that it has far less value based on the ability to quickly get a .org ranked in a search engine versus the unkown of a .co ranking…I think these are driven more on speculation and less on fundamentals..
Thats a myth.I can get a .co ranked just as easy as a .com
.CO will die soon, just like .mobi and the others. The biggest problem with .CO is that its one letter off of .COM, which is king… People are not generally smart and have memories that rival most cats. They cant recall what they had for lunch yesterday and yet they’re supposed to remember its .CO (leave off that “M” !!) and not .COM? I dont think so. People are only now getting used to .COM has being the gold standard.
Will DUIAttorney.org sell for more or the same a year from now? Maybe
Will DUIAttorney.co sell for more or the same a year from now? No Way!
…I think the answer is obvious, based on my opinion of course!
Kevin
What can I tell you, I’m old
I think that .org / .co are 2 totally seperate entities
we just have to look at what the extensions are for and the answer becomes crystal clear
cant really see too many charity.org(s) willing to pay 53k for a name whereas a good ***.co should do ok during this hype.
With the sales of t.co, e.co, o.co alot of interest has been shown given the big players are going towards these for parts of their systems and a cheaper alternative than paying some squatter for similar *.com(s) which could cost them millions.
personally i have quite a few prime .co’s and as i say ‘the right cheese will get the right mouse’ so its all in the name
How much did you pay for that dotORG?
The short answer to your question…….. .CO is hotter right now and there is much more demand. Longevity is another question. But even here there is evidence it may have legs. Time tells all. So follow the money not opinions. Follow the end users. Follow the advertising. It won’t happen on anyone’s time line or overnight in most cases.
Is .CO worth keeping an eye on? Well you better. Domainers only have so much money and the .CO’s are sucking a huge percentage out of them right now and I anticipate that pace will be accelerating all year regardless of the ultimate destiny of the extension.
Make hay when the sun shines.
Don’t let all this buzz effect your domain prices. Maybe it was purchased by end users or the folks that bought the .org version from you. I can’t see DUI lawyer org selling for six figures, regardless of CPC difference. I think the most that will come of this .CO extension is some typo revenue and more activity for WIPO.
The .CO hype is what is driving the value up for some of the domains we are hearing about. Here is an opportunity to own a single or two word generic that would otherwise be out of reach as a .COM. I don’t have the experience or the supernatural ability to predict the sustainability of .CO, but at best, my guess would be that when the dust settles, it ranks behind the .COM, .NET, and .ORG trio. There maybe some money made in the front end of this push, but I also think there will be money lost by many who are paying top dollar today.
It’s a hype. I mean, how do you pronounce .co? If you advertise “Go to http://www.XYZ.co“, everyone will type in http://www.xyz.coM . I don’t know a single person who wouldn’t do that, except maybe those who work in online marketing.
no, clearly, they’re two different things and .org worths more
Since “org” is non-business and there is normally less money flowing in the organization sector, then yes .co will be worth more because it is a business extension and its popularity is growing daily. Like Rick said, it’s already proven that it has some legs.
“”It’s a hype. I mean, how do you pronounce .co? If you advertise “Go to http://www.XYZ.co“, everyone will type in http://www.xyz.coM . I don’t know a single person who wouldn’t do that, except maybe those who work in online marketing.””
(GOOGLE) According to comScore, in October 2009, Americans logged in over 9.6 billion searches. Divide that by 30 (days in a month) and you get 320 million searches a day.
Now what I get from this data maybe something different then what you get.
What I take out of it is that **MOST** (Americans in this case) use a search engine to do their look up on the web. This stat is **ONLY** for Google and I assume that the numbers will be larger when you add in Yahoo, Bing, Ask, and the rest of the search engines.
I really do not think that typo traffic is a legitimate concern in any fashion FOR or AGAINST. I consider myself an average person. I will then assume that I do things (like use the internet) the average way, the average person does.
If that is the case, most things (to the tune of 95%) that I look up in a day are done so via a search engine. Even common sites like Wikipedia, I just type in Wiki and choose the first result. I think its safe to assume that the average person does the same.
Given the numbers listed above, I would really say that is a safe bet.
So in my opinion, someone using the logic that .CO will be mistyped into .COM or that some people may forget the M in .COM and there for .CO is only a typo extension. That logic does not hold water.
If anyone actually has a website up and running, do yourself a favor and look at the stats. See how many actual type ins you get as opposed to the number of search engine results. Be honest with yourself and give yourself a real assessment on the merits of type in typos.
Cheers
I agree with Slate. If someone purchased for the .co mistype – then that was a big mistake. Only those that want the name for development or brand name protection are going to score big here. I’ve tested a few of mine as parked with AdSense and they are strong searchabe keywords – no traffice at all for the mistype. Mine is to wait out the want for the domain from someone who wants to develope or develop to show it’s a stong domain name to prove it’s a worthy purchase for somone. I’ve seen a lot of strong keyword domain with the .com extension sitting as a parked page. This tells me they want way too much money for it. What will happen is those holding onto .com and someone else is holding on to the .co now could cause the value of the .com to go down. Time will tell.
I totally agree with ‘freckles527’
there are too many .com’s that are doing nothing so its a prime time to take advantage of the situation.
personally I like to build the site up seeing im also a developer and people have proven that even .in are making it into the top 10 results (do a search for (hd wallpapers)). i was quite impressed, so i purchased a heap of them and keyword combo’s are for the taking.
the only reason that .co will die quickly is if people just sit on them and let them rot in the corner (great way to loose money).
the more that develop on this extension the longer and strong it will last.
seize the day and take advantage of those that squat…….and pray for adsense loose change
Maybe this month
http://TheBigLieSociety.com view…
http://www.economist.com/node/16941635
The canary in the coal mine for dotCo will happen in the next year (we’re still knee deep in the honeymoon period). Look to see how many dotCo businesses try to UDRP their dotCom version to regain lost traffic. If that happens, then you’ll know that dotCo is too vulnerable with the public to compete with dotCom as an intuitive brand and the investor sell-off will begin.
No.
Brad
“Look to see how many dotCo businesses try to UDRP their dotCom version to regain lost traffic. If that happens, then you’ll know that dotCo is too vulnerable with the public to compete with dotCom as an intuitive brand and the investor sell-off will begin.”
@David J Castello
If I understand you correctly, are you saying that the .COMs will use the UDRP to get the .CO versions of their domain names???
I agree that if the .CO version of a Trademarked .COM is blatant infringement then the .COM can use the UDRP to stop and collect the .CO version. The same is true for any Trademark for any extension.
Under ICANN dotORG, UDRP rules section 4B clearly states the Registration and Use in Bad Faith domains.
I dont know if anyone has ever taken the time to read this or if they just go off hear/say for forums just like this. I think its in the best interest of everyone to read the requirements of the UDRP straight form the actual rules themselves.
Again if ANY domain uses its name as a DIRECT infringement on ANY trademark they are libel for rulings under UDRP however, it a domain name is used on some completely different path (as stated in ICANN UDRP rules) then there is nothing that the trademark company can do.
So its up to the individual to decide what is going to be done with the domain name. I think individuals are just as likely to use .CO the wrong way as they are with .NET, .ORG, .IN, .DE, .FR, and the list goes on.
To plainly assert that .CO is the only extension that could have cybersquatters or trademark infringements is in my opinion flawed logic.
But that is just my 2 cents.
Cheers
I am the one that pointed out yesterday that Duilawyer.CO was sold for 80% of Duilawyer.COM
The fact that this posting is hot and getting so much interest and postings says it all.
I believe .CO will rival .COM and not only rival it, it will surpass it. Yes, surpass .COM
I think over time .CO will garner as much interest as .COM and then people will like it even more as people value less typing to get to a web address, and we already see this, an E.CO, T.CO, and O.CO are valued like $350,000 5x – 10x more than a 2 letter domain, and a 2 letter domain is valued way more than a 3 letter domain.
People in general are lazy and want to type less not more so naturally, there will be a premium to .CO s over the .COM s.
It will act just like an accesskey, and these accesskey like characteristics is what makes them hot, hot, hot.
@Slate
Actually, I’m saying the opposite. I know it sounds ridiculous for anyone owning a dotCo to go after the dotCom version, but there has never been a shortage of ridiculous UDRP filings. What I’m basically saying is that if a company spends money to brand themselves with dotCo and then sees a fair amount of lost traffic to the public intutively recalling the dotCom version it will be the end of the current dotCo Honeymoon Period. If this doesn’t happen, then dotCo will live happily ever after 🙂 It’s too soon to tell.
@Robert Cline
See that dotCom button on the iPhone? When you see a dotCo button you’ll know you’re right.
I’ve been following the various conversations regarding the price of .CO names on the forums lately and have a few observations.
I’m new to the domain game so I don’t have the benefit of the years of experience that others in these forums do, so please excuse my ignorance here… BUT.
It seems that everyone is basing prices of the .CO names on past history of other extensions (.us, .info, .me etc) and/or traffic results for the names currently which I think is crazy. I think .CO is clearly different because of the use of .CO as part of others countries domain name structure. (i.e. .CO.UK). Granted I know Americans are the center of the universe, but people in the UK and Australia have money too ;-).
If you use the logic that no one will buy .CO because people are dumb and won’t know to type .CO instead of .COM or won’t know how to pronouce it then you could use the same reasoning FOR .CO names in regards to countries that already use it as part of their every day life. (again .CO.UK as an example).
As far as traffic is concerned it will have to be proven out but I don’t think it can be based on current traffic results of any of the new .CO named sites are currently running (which is practically nothing)….. It’s just too soon. Enough time has to be allowed for sites to be built and indexed and then optimized which realistically could take 6-8 months?
Correct me if I’m wrong but at the end of the day the names’ value is based probably on 3 things: How it sounds and how comfortable consumers are with clicking it, search engine results, how much someone will pay for it.
It would be safe to assume that having 2 out of 3 in spades would make a winner.
That being said: I believe that when you think globally .CO is truly a unique animal that will not follow what .me, .info, .us etc have done.
.CO meets Todd’s criteria #1 in spades – at least internationally this is going to be easy. Case in point look at the article in this site regarding sites that have been developed for .CO already… quite a few folks from the UK…. interesting. I think it is fair to at least imagine that .CO will trump .CO.UK and/or other country extensions that currently use that format. As far as Americans are concerned it will come around. Twitter just emailed everyone that has Twitter accounts about their planned rollout of using t.co by the end of the year and really as far as I’m concerned from a consumer standpoint (and someone new to the game that is not in love with my portfolio of .org names)I feel more likely to find what I am looking for by clicking on .CO rather than .Org. (i.e. if I’m shopping for auto glass and given the choice between autoglass.co and autoglass.org I feel more likely to find a company selling auto glass at the .CO).
Todd’s criteria #2. Traffic I think will have more to do with the sites and not as much to do with anything super secret or preferential that Google is going to do. At the end of the day Google wants people to find what they are looking for. As sites are developed it will come.
Todd’s criteria #3. How much will people be willing to pay? For short easy names with key words, I suspect a lot. We’re already seeing this in the Landrush results which I think are a lot lower than what the names would go for at an open auction. It stands to reason that if people will pay $50k for a name they will spend a fair amount of money to build a meaningful site, which will in turn draw traffic, which will in turn compel search engines to rank them higher —- the Internet Circle of Life 🙂
All of these reasons have created a great deal of optimism but I think there is a happy medium and level that all of this settle to somewhere in between the extremes of “they aren’t worth the $30” to “dethroning .com”. In my opinion we’ll see .COs do very well internationally and will rival, and in ‘some’ cases exceed .Net here in the states especially when there is an international angle.
I think they will – here come the boooos – consistently become more valuable than .orgs in time.
Some names will draw prices that will rival and or exceed their corresponding .com counterpart but that shouldn’t be expected. It will all depend on the unique competitive environment in each situation.
As far as sustainability past the honeymoon and period of hype? I think .CO will stand the test of time because of it’s international flare and familiarity.
@David J Castello
Thank you for clearing that up. I see what you are saying.
I have a different opinion on typo traffic. I dont think its really any concern to a website either good or bad. In my statement a few posts above, I pointed out that According to comScore, in the month of October 2009, Americans logged in over 9.6 billion searches. Divide that by 30 (days in a month) and you get 320 million searches a day. I am pretty sure that was just for the Google search engine.
I also know my internet using habits. I consider myself an average person so there fore I assume that I look up websites the same way the average person does.
If that is true, then about 90-98% off all sites are looked up by using a search engine instead of type in traffic.
I guess we can test that out if you have access to your websites stats. Look how much is type in traffic as opposed to search engine. I know for my sites its about 95-99% search engine. Maybe your site is different.
Anyways, my point being that (aside from infringement) I dont think one website could really effect the traffic flow of another website through type in.
but that is just my opinion.
Cheers
First of all .co sells higher because everyone looks for .com and the typo lies within in people inputting the .co on accident instead of the entire .com. No one mistypes .org with the intention of going to the .com. 2nd of all if people can’t find what they are looking for at the .com the second attempt will be .net and they will probably give up after that.
“See that dotCom button on the iPhone? When you see a dotCo button you’ll know you’re right.”
ROTFLMAO….
Sorry I just have to say that is funny as hell. Right or wrong, its still funny.
Cheers
@Slate
The more my brother and I speak the more I find myself having to clear something up. There seems to be two different definitions of type-in traffic in this industry. The old definition of type-in traffic was when someone typed in “menssunglasses.com” and expected to see a site about men’s sunglasses. In the old days a fair amount of people did this and those who parked these names made money. However, over time less and less people did this and parking revenue declined. Many domainers will point to this right away and say that type-in traffic has lost its relevance.
However, the type-in traffic I refer to is based on the public’s ability to remember your brand. It’s what advertising is about. This is Marketing 101 and most domainers are clueless about it because it mostly benefits developed sites (and most domainers still make their money from parking).
There are people posting here who truly believe that the general public will just as easily recall a doCo version as well as a dotCom version of a name and not confuse the two. This type of thinking is not only absurd, but also dangerous because it could cost an investor their shirt. I know the people behind dotCo and I am postively thrilled at their success, but it’s important to keep a firm grip on reality in this game.
WTF!!!
I said this in another forum but when I started going to flipping.CO I never once ever considered going to flipping.COM
What this tells me is once someone has an address, it is all about the content and the merits of that site that determine whether people are going there or not.
If some of you are making this argument, then nudephotography.EU, nudephotography.CO.UK, nudephotography.MOBI, nudephotography.NET, nudephotography.CO.IN would all be in trouble. This simply is not the case.
I see many of you have fallen in love with just one thing. Never be emotional and never fall in love with just one thing. Real estate is something you should not fall in love with a house.
The bottom line is that value of .COM will go down as some of that money pours into the .CO s and value of .CO will go up as they mediate and come together. And yes, probably iPhone will replace the .COM button with the .CO button and people will just need to spend another couple seconds to type in the ‘M’.
.CO is hot!!!
david,
I really agree with much of what you say BUT…as i said before, you can never underestimate the power of viral marketing. It is something that happens quick and now even quicker. It’s easy to think we live in a static economic climate because it is so much more secure to believe that. But do you think the dotcom button on the iphone will stay there forever? Or without another extension button beside it? I don’t see it remaining so static.
And yes, a firm grip on reality is always helpful…LOL
@Em
That is what I am saying, just because it is there today, doesn’t mean it will be there tomorrow. In fact, I see the .COM button replaced with the .CO and people just spend couple seconds of there life to type in the ‘M’
If a .COM site is undeveloped and just sits there, do you think there will be much traffic. It all comes down to what you sow, what you reap; has nothing to do with address. I see many many .COM sites just parked doing nothing. Parked sites are dead. People know all about these stupid sites. Money income is down on these sites to mere pennies.
All these amateur domainers, most starting out, are looking back in the rear view window. Parking, typo, etc. are dead. They were hot 3 years ago. If you want to get ahead of the curve the .CO s are it.
Never get into what was the trend and what was hot 3 years ago.
.CO is just starting. You want to get in before and ahead of the rest of the crowd.
4 yrs ago, it was speculated that the next generation
of cell phones would have a .mobi button since the cell phone
industry was the main backer of .mobi.
It didn’t happen. And, I believe Affilias now owns .mobi.
In the business stategy world, it is often said that
“the obvious next happens.”
I do find it easy to remember .co and, as well say it. (saying it as dotco not . — c —-o). Kind of like two-thousand and ten or 2010 🙂
If I advertised a domain over radio or tv and heard some one say dotco it is plausible to remember.
The key will be search and big industry developing not just this wave of buy and sell.
The other domain extensions didn’t do well because big industry has seen no value in development, but something has to give due to the saturation of dotcom and not being able to expand your market share with other easy to remember or banding domains.
But I could be foolish as well 🙂
Though for $350,000 overstock .com buying o.co just to forward it – why? I hope they have development in mind or this was a ridiculous and wasted purchase.
Since this .co domain came out, I’ve been paying slightly more attention to it and had the following thought.
If you were starting from nothing, and you had to choose .com or .co, it seems like you’d choose .co
Businesses and organizations all the time use that phrase naturally, much more so than .com.
@David J Castello
I agree with your assessment that actually typing in a domain is far out dated and results in barely any traffic nowadays.
I also agree that above all else, the public needs to remember your brand!!!
That is what will get any extension recognized.
Now we head into the importance of SEO. As long as the extension is considered gTLD then they have the same chance at listing in the top 10 (first page) that particular search engine.
(I know, I know… .COMs place better but that has nothing to do with the extension its self more then the probable age of the domain and the number of back links.)
Anyone who has ever touched SEO knows that there is any number of things that determine your ranking in search engines. From your actual domain name, to the age of the domain itself, to the number of back links, to the titles in your website, even down to missing or broken links. All of them effect your placement of search engines and so do many many other things.
My thought processes is that much of the marketing is spent on SEO.
***It does not matter how good your product, if you dont make the top 10 (namely the number 1 spot) you will not receive traffic, or if you do it will be really low numbers.***
I am sure that you and I will agree that placement on any search engine (particularly Google) is key to a successful website. Truth of the matter here is that with a good SEO, a .CO domain can make the top 10 even number 1 spot for a given category. It will take several months for this to creep into the MAJOR categories but it can be done.
I can NOT tell you if businesses will invest the money into a .CO to make that happen or not, but it can be done.
For the fact that search engines are used as the predominate means to find websites (this is presuming that we are NOT infringing on any TMs here), and the fact that gTLDs are supposed to be treated the same (meaning that .CO could take the number 1 spot in any given category if the proper SEO is put behind it), then I think its safe to assume that:
*IF* a company with a .CO extension becomes a major online presence, the fact that their extension is .CO will neither help nor hinder them.
Let me put out an example and see if you agree with it.
I personally own Ork.co
Now if I made this into a website and sold internet glasses. (glasses that will allow you to use the internet just by wearing them… I dont think they exist but you can see how that could be popular.)
Given the proper SEO, I am pretty sure I would corner the market on the keywords “Internet Glasses” (I am sure you can agree with that)
Now if the general populations uses search engines (like we agree they do), they typically will enter one of two searches.
Either they will enter the keywords
Internet Glasses (which I have the market on and there for I will be the number one spot)
Or they enter the keyword
Ork (which if you look it up Ork.com does not even list in the top 10 and with SEO I should be number 1 for that spot also)
Its in my opinion that typo traffic (whether it be the old fashioned or the new search engine way is not applicable or very very small to the point that it really doesn’t matter.
But that is just the way I see it.
Cheers
The Internet is like the NFL. When it started, everyone stood around the edge of the field. Then, people were pushed into grand-stands. Some moved to skyboxes. The vast majority of people WATCH on TV.
Domainers are still standing at the edge of the field. They are out of touch with what people REALLY see on their screens.
What do you see here ?
http://www.youtube.com/tippexperience
Hint: try “Kisses”
@Slate – the average number of words for SEO search by a user is 3 to 4 keywords so you are correct – anyone an win with any gTLDs if they focus on SEO. There are a lot of buyers of domain names that think one word domains are going to score big, but the reality is that’s not the case. Just because overstock.com purchased o.co doesn’t mean that site has any key to ranking on search. In fact, they just used it to forward to overstock. They also on o.biz and I don’t see this ranking. Type in clearance items and I don’t see them at all on page 1 in organic or paid, but they are organic number one with discount items. But they’ve branded well with major marketing dollars.
This is a very good discussion and it makes you realize the importance of how Google plays into all of this as well.
As long as the extension is gTLD, It is my firm belief that a great SEO can take the number 1 spot in any given search engine for any given name.
Of course the more odd ball the domain name and the less it has to do about the subject the better the SEO has to be.
Still my point is that it can be done as long as the extension is treated as an gTLD.
Just my point of view
Cheers
however, it’s too early… one year is the minimum timeframe to know if .co had a success or a failure
I have received 3 offers for my .CO domain names so far. What a start?
Don’t you just love those flying piggies.
http://www.opportunity.co/pigsfly/
I plan on getting a few for myself and will be uploading some pics. Great for marketing.
Speaking of marketing, I do not recall any extension that has gotten so much great marketing as the .CO s.
Every single major registrar, I think I saw a few European and even Australian registrars that are showcasing front and center the .CO registrations.
“one year is the minimum timeframe to know if .co had a success or a failure”
I agree with that statement
Guys:
Let me let you all in on a little secret:
SEO has ZERO to do with branding.
Google has ZERO to do with branding.
If someone has to search to find you then you are not branded.
DotCom is not another TLD. It is the intuitive TLD for the entire Internet. To claim another TLD can compete against it on its own terms is foolish because dotCom has become its own brand. However, this is not to say that other TLDs cannot become successful. Many ccTLDs have become successful. DotOrg and dotNet have become successful. In my opinion, dotCo is already successful (but in the world of Domainers – not yet with the General Public). As Domainers we tend to live in our own little world that is far removed from the General Public. I’ve been dealing with domain names and the General Public since 1997 and I can tell you that they move at the speed of a pregnant slug and 9 times out of 10 will only do what they have to do. In the beginning they had no choice but to use dotCom and that is the only reason they embraced it. Today, you can give them all the reasons you want about how dotCo is potentially better than dotCom because it has only 2 letters, etc, etc, etc. And guess what? 99% of them will shrug. Don’t believe me? You’ll see.
EDITOR
.CO DOMAIN NEWS
476,745 .CO’s registrations as Friday, September 03rd, 2010
CO Domain News is of the opinion that the new .CO is the best contender to come up against .COM in the last twenty years…
Here’s why…
1. Currently there are 122,073,947 registered domains across the .COM, .NET, .ORG, .INFO, .BIZ, and .US top level domains (TLDs). This means there are “essentially” zero real opportunities left to secure a good .com or other top level domain; unless of course you make up a name that is not found in dictionary. We’ve all heard them and the names are getting to the point of being ridiculous.
2. In direct contrast to limited “real” opportunity with .com and the gang — there is significant opportunity with the new .CO Domain since there have only been 476,745 .CO’s registrations as Friday, September 03rd, 2010.
3. Because of this fact you have 121,597,202 more chances to secure a great “.CO” domain than with “.COM” or other top level domains (TLD).
.CO opportunity Math:
122, 073,947 – .COM, .NET, .ORG, .INFO, .BIZ, and .US top level domains (TLDs)
– 476,745 – Current # of .CO registrations
= 121,597,202 – more chances to secure a great “.CO” domain
4. .CO is currently used in 60 countries as part of their TLD — E.G. Angloa – co.ao, United Kingdom – .co.uk, Zimbabwe – .co.zw, etc. So it is not a stretch for these countries to embrace and adapt a new, shorter, less complicated version of their current extension.
5. Google has empowered people and companies to Geo-Target .CO to 239 countries worldwide — from “AF” Afghanistan to “ZW” Zimbabwe…
Food for thought…
http://www.codomainnews.com
EDITOR .CO DOMAIN NEWS – All Rights Reserved
to many warning signs on .co and hype around it..
go to a casino if you want to try your risks..
all speculation and the .com prevails
personally i think the .org’s are a very important part of society seeing as many people associate .org with charities.
– if you see an advert on tv for a charity you normally associate it with a .org and would normally not donate if it doesnt carry the .org
‘Robert Cline’ brings up something interesting also
– .co.uk and other .co.**’s i feel will play a big part in .co and its life on the net.
many companies are using .co.** seeing as the .com’s are gone to squatters but many smaller companies now think globally now rather than locally and people are more willing to take a chance in business given the outlay is less than $50 and to have a desired domain is looking good for them and culling off 3 extra keystrokes is very attractive.
Hopefully the advertisers/marketers will push it along and hopefully i think we will see some tv advertising with .co within the next 12months.
…and the hype is only going to get bigger (just published):
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/shane-snow/how-to-become-an-internet_b_705175.html
i think at the end of the day .org’s currently are worth more seeing that most people associate them with charity/non-profit companies.
(you tend to trust a .org more when you make donations etc)
the way .co will increase in value rapidly and become a ‘household brand’ is with help from marketers/advertising agencies as these guys will take it by the horns and hopefully get some tv space in commercials etc (educating the general public).
.co.uk and similar have their place seeing that most people consider it being a ‘local’ site and would shop there.
typo’s and that are for the birds. and if your trying to compete with the .com? sorry your gonna loose. Getting typo traffic of a nice established site (brand) is just messing with danger……look at aaa****.com disputes with aaa (american auto assoc) winning nearly everytime.
the more that build and with the help of good seo will drive this
if people sit on em…..then it will go the same way as .me etc.
however, the comparison has no sense since it’s like ask if .travel worths more than .jobs … they’re two different things
So you all speak and can read Spanish huh .. everybody wants to visit a Columbian website .. what a load of B/S ..
This has been and still is the slickest marketing campaign ever pulled over the eyes of the domain community ever .. The marketing is perfect .. the resellers are slick as they come Mr.Mann ect .. what are you going to do when Google say enough is enough .Co is Columbian! non related Spanish content for Columbia = no G ranking Geo targeting the TLD .. that could happen .. The public maybe dumb but sooner or later there will be anti .CO blogs informing them that .CO is Columbia .. .TV who doesn’t know that is Tuvelu .. The Columbian gov could pull the plug on .CO anytime they feel like it they have done it before ..
//In 2001 the University began to consider the possibility of marketing the domain as an alternative to the generic top-level domains, based on its resemblance to the .com domain. The Government of Colombia objected, and the Minister of Communications, Angela Montoya Holguín, wrote to the University to request that they not continue. In turn the University wrote to ICANN, rejecting the Government′s objections and stating their intention to appoint a subcontractor to handle the commercialisation of the domain.[3]
At a meeting on 11 December 2001, Holguín asked the Consultative Chamber and Civil Service of the Council of State to consider three issues:[4]
whether the .co domain is a public resource
if the domain is public resource, whether it is intrinsically linked with telecommunications
if the domain is linked with telecommunications, who should profit from its commercialisation
In relation to these three issues, the meeting concluded that:[4]
the .co domain, having been assigned to Colombia, is of public interest
the administration of the domain is intrinsically related to telecommunications, and hence falls under the purview of the Ministry of Communications, with the exception of those functions assigned to the ICFES by the Ministry of National Education
unless the Congress of Colombia adopts an act allowing tax to be collected in relation to the registration of domain names, no amount can be charged for such a service
In response to the Council of State meeting, the University wrote to ICANN on 12 February 2002 stating that it had abandoned plans to commercialise the domain, and that as it could “no longer bear the administrative and operational responsibilities” it wished to discontinue its responsibility for operating the domain.[3]//
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.co
Only the registry and the slick operators will profit from .CO when it’s over they will move onto the next ..
@ Robert Cline: I have invested in a number of .co’s, intend to develop some and really hope they do well. Your commentary on all these threads is however really starting to become very repetitive and annoying.
If you have something useful or constructive to say, say it, but stop pushing .co like it’s going out of fashion! The extension will be successful on its own merits. Spend your time and energy developing your .co sites rather than roaming and writing these articles trying to get a plug-in wherever you can! Much better use of your time…
check out these couple developed .CO sites:
http://www.findjobs.co
and
http://www.dfj.co
You would have to think that Twitter’s most recent announcement that they will be using the T.co for all future URL shorteners on their parent Twitter site as HUGE news for the dot co extension.
http://technorati.com/blogging/article/twitter-to-launch-official-tweet-button/
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To follow up on your original post MB …
3DTV.org sold last year for $1,200 .. and since has been relisted recently at the same $1,200 with no bites
.. but 3dTV.co sold for $5,200 at landrush
… hmmm…
… i don’t necessarily believe the bump in dot co raises the bar for dot org… this could just be the beginning of big things for dot co
What a silly post. A domain is worth what some will pay for it. Doesn’t mean all .co’s are worth more just cos one sold for more than a .org
All boils down to the buyer and the size of the market they operate in, and whether they have no chance of getting it in any more well known extensions..
Because you sold your .org previously for $35k , they have no chance of getting that one either, so maybe weren’t prepared to let the .co slip through the net..
I acquired ATTY.co and Rechtsanwalt.co = lawyer in german are they worth 5 figures ?
i got one InjuryLawyer.de
Any value?
thanks
.co is still feeding on landrush hype. This is like saying is .mobi worth more than .org because of the handful of high .mobi sales that were higher than .org sales. The high .mobi sales were fueled entirely from hype and most of this .co landrush is as well. Once it settles, they’ll be lower than .org for sure.
I love how the ones who don’t want .CO to succeed keep referencing ‘history’ and keep comparing this launch to dot mobi, and dot asia and dot tel etc
– but the REALITY is the ONLY history you have to compare this to IS the dot com – ya know – being as this was THE most successful extension launch SINCE the dot com.
So please boys n girls – enough comparing apples to oranges.
We will see in a couple short years, won’t we?
.mobi, .eu, and .asia were successful LAUNCHES too… .co being a more successful LAUNCH doesn’t matter because it is still a LAUNCH, and as history has shown, the performance of the LAUNCH doesn’t dictate the longterm success of the extension. I witnessed the launch of a ccTLD for international use and even have the highest public sale in that extension, but for international use it has since become quite a dud despite my success in it even though it was hyped as the next big thing when it was launched. That extension was .in. Anyhow, widespread adoption amongst the average person is what matters…both in usage for popular websites and in the mindsets of the people that visit them. How many of these people still think when they see a .co that it’s a typo of .com?
However, if you want to look at an “apple” to compare .co to, how about .biz? Like .biz, it is supposedly suitable for businesses and you can get the stronger domains in it for a lot less. We’ve seen how that’s done for .biz longterm. Oh yea, and I’ve made a nice sale in .biz too and can say it’s pretty well a failure compared to how it was built up to be when it was launched. Even extensions that for a time had showed promise, like .info, have not amounted to anything close to what they were supposed to be.
So yea, we’ll see what happens, sir or madam anonymous commenter. 🙂 You were completely wrong on one thing though. I actually would love to see .co succeed. I don’t like it when extensions that are highly touted don’t succeed, because it prolongs the separation of the domain industry from the mainstream. So assuming you are heavily invested into .co, I hope you DO succeed along with the others. That would be excellent and if anything would help the other extensions grow in value as well.
.co have only had an INCREDIBLE blogs coverage!
I do not own a single .org name that I would trade for the same in .co.
“I do not own a single .org name”
nothing strange if you don’t have a charity-like .ORGanization
“that I would trade for the same in .co”
why do you should? they’re “apples and oranges” (as in the american old say)
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Steve
I don’t know if any of the extensions you mentioned had nearly as many registrations as .co did in its 1st months, and I don’t know if any had so many high priced domains so deep into the auctions.
“I don’t know if any of the extensions you mentioned had nearly as many registrations as .co did in its 1st months, and I don’t know if any had so many high priced domains so deep into the auctions.”
They don’t.
But there’s nothing surprising in the .CO hatred among some people, even if they defend themselves of being .CO haters.
People who have invested a lot in .COM see from a very angry eye the rise of other TLDs. Especially when this TLD has just been launched, and when they realize they may have missed some opportunities.
I just finished my deep meditation and I have come to a very deep understanding and my final conclusion is:
.CO will be either the #1 or #2 extension within the next 5 years.
Furthermore, it will be more popular than .org and .net
So whatever you see their corresponding name has gone for or go for, you can be sure, you will get more with a .CO
Cheers. Thanxs for listening. My deep meditated thoughts are beyond reproach and considered to be very accurate. What are you thoughts on my conclusion?
“may have missed some opportunities”
why? there are many other TLD domains that sells well, and, ONLY a good .com could become “the [million$] opportunity of the life” while, a good .co selling, could only help his seller to change the car with a new model… 🙂
“.CO will be either the #1 or #2 extension within the next 5 years. ”
ok, now we only need to wait 5 years… 🙂
Robert Cline -> .COM will rule as the absolute master for at least the next 6 or 7 years.
But it wouldn’t surprise me if .CO overtakes .NET and .ORG.
“But it wouldn’t surprise me if .CO overtakes .NET and .ORG.”
no, the .co hype will ends soon
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Based on my Buddha like meditation, that is over 5 hours, sheer number of registrations .CO will overtake .ORG and .NET
However, .CO will sell far more even in the coming weeks and months.
“why? there are many other TLD domains that sells well, and, ONLY a good .com could become “the [million$] opportunity of the life” while, a good .co selling, could only help his seller to change the car with a new model… 🙂 ”
Most TLDs are crap compared to .CO.
I don’t think there are still many big .COM opportunities left. The premiums of the premiums like pizza.com or insurance.com are already priced at millions, so the entry ticket for further speculation is quite expensive.
There may be some opportunities in the aftermarket, but now even crappy .COMs sell at prohibitive prices. Maybe it’s some kind of bubble… (because the end-users are quite lacking).
In just a few months, when the only .COM left for first registration will be “xszvb.com” or “thebestofthebestcars.com”, the end-users will prefer to register .COs for $30 rather than pay a lot for their .COM counterparts.
The title of this thread is “Are .CO s worth more than .ORG s ?” The answer to this is a resounding:
YES YES YES YES YES
I have no absolute doubt in my mind about this after my 5 hour long meditation this afternoon. I went over every conceivable possibilities and probabilities and my calculations have come to this conclusion. A supercomputer would also come out with my same conclusion.
we DEFINITELY need to wait a year or so to know the TRUE answer about the .co success or failure
I wish there was a way to securitize some of the deusionally optimistic sentiments in this thread so they were a marketable offering. I would leverage myself to the hilt taking a short position against that product.
“I wish there was a way to securitize some of the deusionally optimistic sentiments in this thread so they were a marketable offering. I would leverage myself to the hilt taking a short position against that product.”
Whatever .CO haters say, it won’t really affect its success. As already said on this thread, wait and see.
“Whatever .CO haters say, it won’t really affect its success. As already said on this thread, wait and see.”
You’re certainly entitled to think that and put your money where your mouth is by buying .co. I just wish there was a way I could do the same by betting against you.
Anyway, one thing we both agree on is ‘wait and see’. You think the paradigm is about to shift, I think .co doesn’t budge the paradigm one single inch (like, not even a little bit). Whatever success .co has seen thus far is restricted entirely to the ‘domainer landrush speculation’ community, which has brought us such mind-bogglingly stupid examples as $200K for flowers.mobi, etc. Does this tulip-mania frenzy set some sort of a comparative benchmark against which we can judge the value of other, more established extensions? No. All it does is prove there are idiots out there in this world who have more money than judgment.
Like I said. Of the .org names I own (and I do own a few decent ones, including pure geos of decent sized cities, etc), there isn’t a single one that I would trade for a .co, right now, if such a trade were proposed to me.
no one “hates” .co
it (simply) isn’t a so “stellar” TLD as expected
of course, some could earn money with .co but not so many and not so much
forgive me if i’m mistaken – but did any major company pay a significant amount of money for a dot asia, a dot mobi, a dot biz, a dot in or any of the other new extension when it came out and begin branding and marketing it within the first six months of existence – like twitter has planned for december?
or did any other major company do anything comparable to what Overstock did by paying $300,000 + for O.co with any other new extension?
**BTW – @LS Morgan – if you’re going to TRY and impress us all with your ‘BIG WORDS’ and rambling sentences that wreak of boredom – at least get the big words right!!
It’s “reek of boredom”.
@ Ls Morgan
If your the punk at Namepros and got kicked out you can Gfy
You talk a big game and work for some website outfit. Until you quit your job and quit your day job shut up
If your not him then my apology
It’s “you’re not him”
If you’re going to be in the business of buying and selling words, at least try to not suck so desperately with them. You come off as a completely illiterate retard.
Anyway, stupid blog flames aside, I stand by what I said. If you want to bet on the future of .co and escrow your side with any established industry participant, propose terms and let me know. I’m absolutely game to put my money where my mouth is. I bet you aren’t.
The fact that these boards are so active tells me a lot. One of my calculations during my meditation was the interest and activity of these boards.
The real fact of the matter is that the organization behind .CO internet SAS is led by Harvard Business School educated young energetic 32 year old who has sold successful internet businesses to Yahoo and are not going to be sitting back. I believe they will act aggressively to market .CO on national TV ads with all the money flowing in with these auctions and registrations.
@ Domainer:
LOL @ ‘can’t be independent’. You haven’t the slightest clue what you’re talking about our partnership. If you did, you’d probably feel pretty dumb right now, although people like you rarely feel as dumb inside as others view you from the outside. If you did, you wouldn’t talk as much.
Anyway, game over. Trying to have a discussion with people like you is totally pointless. Let me know about that bet and best of luck with your “.co investments”. You’re going to need it, just as soon as you recover from your .tel adventures.
” LS Morgan (Not Morgan Linton)” -> Morgan, no offense but you sound a bit like a frustrated guy who’s terribly jealous of the success of others. I can sense the hatred behind your sentences.
By the way, when someone tells in his pseudo that he is not someone, that means he actually is.
Morgan (simple curiosity), in which TLDs do you invest?
.
in my opinion, the .CO domains that have a real meaning and an high value are those that include part of the name, like…
mexi.co
e.co
etc.
well, apart nar.co ( °o° ) do you know other registered .CO domain of the same kind?
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“Morgan (simple curiosity), in which TLDs do you invest?”
I’m 90% developer and 10% domain speculator.
Of that 10%, 90% is .com, the other 10% is a smattering of .org, .net and ccTLDs. I own less than 10.biz/.info’s and a lone .tv.
.co is fine as a Spanish Language ccTLD and a lovely typo (you will see the typo factor in play with some keywords) and I’m sure there will be the isolated examples of (dumb) people staking their claim on that extension as some sort of repurposed TLD ala .tv, but some of the pie-eyed speculations made in threads like this regarding the future of .co are just belly-laugh hilarious.
The sad (and pathetic) thing is, we aren’t breaking new ground. We’ve seen the same thing, time and time and time again, with the release of every new TLD… How this time, it’s different and how this time, things are going to change and how this time, it’s a game changer… and it never, ever is. There’s nothing inherent to this TLD that suggests things will be any different, this go round.
The people making money right now are fools selling to greater fools. No one is realizing any sort of inherent value, no one is unlocking any potential. It’s windhandel.
“.co is fine as a Spanish Language ccTLD”
yes… like… lo.co (…who buys .co? 🙂
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so…
– mexi.co
– e.co
– o.co
– nar.co
– lo.co
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sem.co is at $5200 right now
sem.co isn’t a name but (probably) a company (sem or semco?)
People are offbase by calling other posters derogatory names
because they disagree with them.
No one knows what is going to happen in the future.
WE ARE ALL GUESSING.
Therefore, one person’s opinion is as good as another.
Lets try to maintain a quality level of discussion.
The best way to predict the future is to “Invent It”…or program it via DNS Software…
“sem.co isn’t a name but (probably) a company (sem or semco?)”
sem means search engine marketing, a several hundred billion dollar industry…
fools and their money = .co
fact
make money noobs while u can, the registry is
I love reading these posts because the pro and con passion here demonstrates what a truly exciting industry we’ve become. The bottom line is that dotCo’s success is great for all domainers and the domain industry.
“sem means search engine marketing, a several hundred billion dollar industry”
if this is the meaning, then, the winner already is sem.com not the .co or .cc or .ws versions
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definitely, we MUST wait to know the truth
three are the data we must wait to see within a year or so:
– how many .co domains will be sold after today’s hype
– how many .co will be used for real sites, redirect and domaining
– the total value of the .co domains market (compared with others)
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I like how all these other extensions are riding on the coat tales of the success of the .CO s, like .co.uk, .co.in, .co.es
It seems like there are 60 other ccTLDs that are riding on the coat tale of .CO
It’s clear the leader is going to be .CO hence forth.
“I like how all these other extensions are riding on the coat tales of the success of the .CO s, like .co.uk, .co.in, .co.es”
.co.uk is riding on the “coattails” of .co? LOL.
Brad
@Brad
If you like .CO.UK
you must be loving the .CO
“@Brad
If you like .CO.UK
you must be loving the .CO”
Why? I will go with the ccTLD of the United Kingdom every time over the ccTLD of Colombia.
Brad
@Brad
If you haven’t heard the news and need to be taught.
.CO is now a gTLD, same as .COM as google has announced it will be treated as such globally.
You are uninformed and obviously inclined to disseminate incorrect information.
.CO.UK is a true ccTLD and twice as long, actually 2.5 times longer.
.CO encompasses everything that .CO.UK can do and 283 other countries. That is why the .CO s will dominate.
If you can now get a .CO shorter and broader, why in the world would anyone now get .CO.UK or for that matter .co.cr
.co.id
.co.uk
.co.uz
.co.ch
.co.pe
.co.pk
.co.lv
You can essentially look at .CO as being the ruler and mother of al these other longer and harder to remember extensions.
My case made. Checkmate.
That’s ‘checkmate’ only in some sort of new form of ‘idiots-chess’ where the winner is he who understands least about the game.
Every single metric you pointed out as to why .co will become ‘dominant’ is totally irrelevant in terms of how consumers digest a web address. One of the biggest ‘cases’ made for .cc back in the day was that it was just so easier and faster to type than pesky, ‘longer’ .com. Nothing in your hypothesis has any legs. The sad thing is, we aren’t even dealing in ‘theory’. So many of those weak lines of reason have already been shown to be fallacious as hell with the pumpers of other new and ‘repurposed’ TLDs. You could choose to learn from history, but I’m guessing you’re new to all of this, so these sorts of things are still fresh and exciting to you- a world of wonder and unlimited potential- when to people who have been around this game for a while, it’s a well-worn path with the map already written.
.co.uk in United Kingdom has reached ubiquity- in spite of already being ‘longer’ than the global, standard bearer and preeminent generic brand, .com- with any number of shorter or ‘more generic’ options available. The reason people choose a ccTLD isn’t because of its length. If you don’t get this, you’re still playing at Level 0 of this game. Of course, so are many of the .co proponents, “3d domain investors”, etc.
I do think repurposed use of .co might have a bit more distance than the repurposing of any other random ccTLD (for example, people in Minnesota using .mn or people in Indiana using .in or doctors using .md- both have their isolated examples of use, but it’s scant), but the idea that .co will supplant anything is just absurd for a billion reasons, the articulation of said would take up more space than is permitted in a blog comment.
@Morgan,
You make my point. You have to write an essay to make your point.
I simply represent the everyday common person registering.
That is why, in the first month, .CO has 500,000 registrations while
.asia has 177,872 registrations in 6 years.
.tel has only 245.976 registrations
.me has only 427,619 registrations
In 1 month .CO has done more than all these others combined in 10 years.
Case made. Checkmate again.
Yes, indeed, your mentality totally represents the ‘everyday, common person’ registering domain names. If you want an even better look at the wisdom of your crowd, I’d suggest perusing a drop list sometime.
.co could have 10,000,000 registrants in the first 5 hours. That does nothing to prove anything, other than domainers are mostly idiots who lose more money than they make.
No one here can argue with .CO success.
Everyone’s other extension misery wants company for their misery.
Well, my advice to them, if you can’t beat them, join .CO success.
Bow down to the new king.
.CO era is here. It’s now the .CO era.
yo LS
go out and learn how to make money and actually have some decent names..your portfolio sucks and the .com guys love the extra traffic off your dumb .org developments
to many egos, so little time..funny comments
.COM is like the old lion, it had its hay day. It has matured and now is on the decline. The old always make way for the new.
.CO is the new stud, supplanting the old lion. It is just starting its reign and the new king has arrived. Any hyenas here will be squashed like a lion does to a hyena.
LS your buying .co
“LS your buying .co”
hahahahaha That is the best line. I fell off my chair laughing. Oh that is so funny.
That has to be the best line I have read in the history of all these threads. You made my weekend. hahahaha.
You have made the .CO point:
LESS IS MORE
You hear the lion roar, all hyenas wimper scampering away.
“.CO is now a gTLD, same as .COM as google has announced it will be treated as such globally.”
Actually .CO is the ccTLD of Colombia. Anything else is a fancy marketing campaign.
Nrad
Go to Google Insights and plug in .EU / .MOBI / .ASIA / .ME / .TEL / etc.
I know, I know. CO is different. I have heard the same thing with every new extension recently.
They all pretty much show a massive peak of interest at the start then flatline.
Brad
Brad your buying .co too
and I am off to barbeque dinner. Yum.
Long live the new king.
Are either of you willing to wager (and escrow) actual money on the future of .co development? I’m open to some pretty liberal terms.
I mean, I know how this turns out. Just like the people with .mobi or .tel or the ones who insisted that .biz or .info would soon rival .com, you both will fade away from the domain game once you’ve been proven wrong and go back to making Big Macs or whatever it is you do on a daily basis… Turds like you are aplenty in the dustbin of domain investing… But in the mean time, just let it be known that I’m perfectly willing to augment your massive, future .co profits by making an actual, real-world, real money wager on its future.
It’s time for either of you to put up or shut up.
I think a fun bet would be an over/under on the collective market capitalization of all publicly traded companies using .co as their primary web presence after a set period of time… It’s dead easy to quantify and if you are right regarding the future of .co, that number should be huge in a relatively short period of time.
So, to either of you, please, please dear god, tell me you’re willing to escrow and bet. If you’re just willing to post blog comments and rant about a brighter tomorrow, then sit down over there next to the .mobi people and learn something. Otherwise, I’m right here, willing to bet you’re both totally, totally wrong.
save your money LS.. Maybe one day Namepros will let you back inn with your ego and your shit names..
your struggling now and need to rant on blogs because namepros dislikes you little punk
big macs thats a trip..hope one day you can eat lobster each day and work on your own..
i suggest you save your money Ls little man and maybe go out in aftermarket.. acquire one decent name.. Maybe after 10 years you can acquire one name…
your .com names suck, your .org developments suck.. do you have anything to share?
LS buying .co
So, I’m willing to bet real money against the future of .co, you’re not, but you *are* willing to make free blog posts about how great it will be?
I think that says everything that needs to be said here.
I used Google Insights and .CO interest has stayed real high all the time while other extensions fall off. That is the difference. Here it is:
http://www.google.com/insights/search/#q=.co&cmpt=q
Long live the new .CO king.
LS buying .co funny stuff
LS your buying .co
whoever is buying .co, good luck to you 😀
Richard your buying .co
^ Behold, the sort of intellectual framework that gets behind something like .co ^
When they can no longer articulate a case or cogently defend their position, it devolves into howling and mindless chanting.
@ Mr. Cline
Please go develop a .co the way many of us are. Am I selling .co domains too? Absolutely, because there is only so many hours in a day to develop and I am flipping at reasonable prices, leaving upside for the buyer. Making a quick 300-500% on $30 or $300 is fine and easy. Taking the profits and using them to develop .co sites is an investment for all .co investors. In addition some of us have plans with .co for our brick and mortar businesses. We are currently planning a launch and are well aware of the public issues. (“Did they forget the m on this ad?”)
But, you are mudding the waters for us who have actual plans with .co and making the entire investment community look a-fool with your boasting. Develop, sell do whatever you want. But just because you say something, does not make it true. Your point is made and 15 minutes are up. Show us a .co site Mr. Believer. Otherwise you are leading the pump and dump, shamelessly I might add.
When a person has to resort to name calling, or predicting the future of random people over the internet in a debate.He or she has already lost.
1.)It doesn’t matter if your willing to bet your house, car, or your entire portfolio on .co, what matters is CONSUMERS. Consumers don’t know(or even care for that matter) that .co is the cctld of Columbia. How many people do you know that even know Tuvalu exists?Just 3 years ago how many average internet users knew about twitter?
2.)How can you compare .CO to .WS(no meaning), .US(limited uses, .TV(again limited uses), .CC(originally intended for Creative Commons).Its apples and oranges. DotCo is a beast we have never seen before, and it has PROVEN that simply by the FACT it has already outsold .TV, .TV, .ASIA , in a VERY short time.To simply put it under a bus with other ccTLDs saying it has followed the same pattern would be very dumb statement to make.NO of the other cctlds had anywhere near as much marketing as .CO(nor have non of them been used by Twitter)
3.)The fact is dotCo is close to selling half a million domains in under a month.Men lie, women lie, NUMBERS DON’T!
@LS, feel free to write a 2 page reply, I wont be reading it.I will be busy developing .CO domains!
“How can you compare .CO to .WS(no meaning), .US(limited uses, .TV(again limited uses), .CC(originally intended for Creative Commons). DotCo is a beast we have never seen before, and it has PROVEN that simply by the FACT it has already outsold .TV, .TV, .ASIA , in a VERY short time.”
EU has 3M+ regs and very limited reseller value. The total number of regs does not mean all that much.
So we have .CO (Colombia) vs .US (United States). I find it amusing that .US is “limited use” when it is the ccTLD of the richest country on the planet, but the Colombian ccTLD is the second coming. Many of the seasoned domains have seen the same thing repeat itself over and over.
Many domainers seem to live in a bubble and don’t ever deal with the average consumer.
Sooner or later reality wins. It always does.
Brad
LS Morgan, Bluefire just took you to school.
Morgan you have been school.
Bluefire made no relevant points whatsoever, other than to say “this time, it’s different!” (Newbie Domainer Failboat #1) and how what matters are CONSUMERS, without bothering to articulate the nexus between consumers actually adopting .co and it’s introduction into the namespace. It would be like if I said “You know what’s important? OXYGEN!” , as if making a self-evident point somehow supports my position, without bothering to interrelate the two.
He then said that whatever I reply with, he won’t be reading- that’s pretty much a blinking neon sign that someone is taking an indefensible position for emotional, rather than logical, reasons.
But, yeah. HE TOOK ME TO SCHOOL!
Now, say “LSMorgan, your buying .co!” once again, whatever the hell that’s supposed to mean.
it’s not clear yet IF .co domains will produce a big business, but, surely, we must admit that .co domains have produced a big and unprecedented debate!
and what is incredible is that, this big debate about .co, doesn’t happened BEFORE the early .co registrations, but, months AFTER, when nearly all the best .co domains have been already registered and, often, already resold with a profit
@ Brad, “How can you compare .CO to .WS(no meaning), .US(limited uses, .TV(again limited uses), .CC(originally intended for Creative Commons)”
FACTS: .WS = Western Samoa .CC = Cocos and (Keeling) Islands. Not creative Commons. .TV = Tuvalu (tiny Pacific Island Nation) .US is a restricted TLD restricted to US citizens/US businesses/Companies with proven business presence in the US also qualify for .US, “NEXUS” http://www.neustar.biz Similar to .CA = Canada, .CO is the Republic of Columbia as is com.co – commercial, org.co – organizations, edu.co – educational, gov.co – government, net.co – network infrastructure, mil.co – military, nom.co – private person, For the United Kingdom .UK is no longer available to register, CO.UK is the CCTLD.
We develop our domains and were delighted to have secured so many premium .CO domains. In fact, CO Internet rewarded us with a few great names after finding out about a site we had put up the very first week following the landrush.
If I were a DUI Attourney and paying $25.04 for the click, I too would go after DuiAttorney.co. What other options are there, I ask? All the extensions are taken.
In our case, we grabbed MarketingJobs.co and AccountingJobs.co for the very same reason. The .com names are not available, and likely never will. And even if they were avaiable, I doubt I could afford them. We launched these two .CO sites tonight and expect to do very well in the long run. We also own over 200 other .CO Jobs domains that we plan to launch soon. We’ll subdomain each and have UK sites and many more.
As for choosing between a .ORG or a .CO? That is a tough one, something that we too are wrestling with. We own both extensions for BiotechnologyJobs and still undecided which one to launch.
What Michael is saying is exactly what I have been trying to get through.
Once all the .CO domains are developed and indexed, a PPC of $25.04 is a PPC of $25.04 no matter which site the ad is advertised on.
Here is an opportunity that comes around once every 25 years. You can still grab $xx,xxx domains for $30. It is here for the taking.
Yet, there are people wasting their time talking about .me, .asia, .tel, and all these crap when they can be making money searching for good .CO domain names right now.
despite some good selling of .co domains, the fragmentation of TLDs will not kill the .com and other old TLDs, but will much more REINFORCE them, since, more the TLDs market will be fragmented, even more the .com TLD (but also the .net .org .co.uk .cn ecc.) will emerge as the ABSOLUTE LEADER and the .com domains prices will INCREASE very much… that why the .com owners should say thank you to the .co and to all other new TLDs that could fragment the non-.com market
Just added smallcars.co and conceptcars.co
what you guys think
@Matt
They are excellent if you are into cars.
144 comments… is it a record here? 🙂
To know how credible .CO has become, you only need to look at Apple Inc.
The only iPad domain name that they even bothered to register was, a drum roll please, you guessed it:
IPAD.CO , not IPAD.COM
@ Michael. Freebee for you,
//In our case, we grabbed MarketingJobs.co and AccountingJobs.co for the very same reason. The .com names are not available, and likely never will. And even if they were avaiable, I doubt I could afford them//
You could go get MarketingJobs.CM and AccountingJobs.CM the only thing missing is the O cant be any worse than a missing M.
Oh and lets not forget DUILawyer.CM is available in Cameroon Africa, lots of DUIs in Central Africa.
Talk about confusingly similar might be time for a WIPO action.
No record for the comments here, record is over 500
@R0bert Cline
ipad.com was registered in 1997 long before the ipad was a twinkle in Mr. Jobs’ eye. Give them time to allow the ipad to be 100% understood as their product and they will get the .com, one way or another. Did you know Walmart recently got a trade-mark on the smiley face which was created in the 60’s by a bank to boost staff morale? Again Mr. Cline, your boasting is not helping the value of the extension. I know a brick and mortar guy who told me he recently heard of .CO. He Googled it, came across ridiculous statements about it replacing .com and determined it was all hot air. .CO has a great chance to be a distant second to .com in five years, unless those of us who hold .CO mess it up through outrageous prices to re-sell or refusal to really put our money where our mouth is and develop quality properties.
@Keyser
//You could go get MarketingJobs.CM and AccountingJobs.CM the only thing missing is the O cant be any worse than a missing M.
We don’t display jobs in Cameroon Africa so no real need to own the CM extension.
I don’t think there is any confusion concerning the ccTLDs. If you site targets that specific country, then why would there be a problem?
90% of our jobs domains are .US extensions. We target the us so it works great. We launched healthcarejobs.us just the other day. And who says there no value in the ccTLDs, healthcrejobs.ie (ireland) sold last month for $16,371.
We started launching our .US jobs sites. Some of the long-tail searches are already on page #1 google. And you know what, people still click on our links and we convert many.
I’ve stated this before, and I’ll say it again:
Domainers have tens of thousands of legit, workable, generic marketable domains in the DOT COM version that they still haven’t sold to an end user.
Most people don’t understand what domains are about.
Most business owners can barely comprehend the value of a generic descriptive DOT COM domain name that represents their own prodserv. An extremely valuable resource to own, worth MORE than the company’s advertising budget for the year (advertising fades after the ads stop, with a half life of no more than 90 days at best). A domain name is an appreciable marketing asset that works continually, year after year – with a $10 annual renewal fee.
If I had the choice of spending $100k on advertising in a newspaper, or buying a domain name in the aftermarket that clearly defined my prodserv, it would be an easy choice — buy the domain, you now have a working asset for your marketing. Don’t like your domain? Sell it and get your money back, or more likely, get a 20%+ profit.
Now, bring in the .CO extension. You have to explain THIS to the public, on TOP of explaining the general value of domains even at the top extension of DOT COMs. If you buy a .CO domain, you have TWO hurdles to jump.
It’s purely psychological – buying great generic terms in the new extensions that are released every year. Anyone remember the land rush on .INFO domains?
My call is that most people RECOGNIZE the .org extension because it’s used so often by non profits. Because of this reality, the .org extension is worth more than .CO (at least that is what will be perceived in 2 years or less). Would you rather own LASVEGASDIVORCE.ORG, or LASVEGASDIVORCE.CO?
Seriously — ask yourself. Em-Bee, you got a great price for your .org. Anyone want to pay $250k for Flowers.mobi?
There is no difference between .CO and .CM as far as typo traffic goes one is lacking the M the other is lacking the O .CM is very well known as a typo extension alla K Ham why are you not all rushing to get a .CM there are plenty of good names available in .CM, where did all the .CO typo traffic go before Arcelandia S.A. and Neustar, Inc got the franchise to market .CO The traffic went to ppc landing pages just like .CM does or it didnt resolve at all. There is no future in this extension unless your market is Columbia if not it may as well be the much cheaper Cameroon. No difference except for the marketing hype between the two and the follow me do what i do syndrome.
.CO lighting up the domaining world again with X.CO
I told you, short does matter.
Why? First, a URL shortener is a great application for a .CO domain and a natural extension of our value proposition by virtue of being one character shorter than .com, .net, .org, and .biz, and two characters shorter than .mobi and .info.
In today’s online world, where every character counts, shorter is always sweeter. And it doesn’t get any shorter or sweeter than X.CO
Holy cow, I just noticed something. Of all the top level general top level domains .CO is the only 2 letter extension. This is amazing important. All others are 3 or 4 letter extensions. Just look:
.com, .net, .org, and .biz
.mobi, and .info
I don’t know about you but as I have said, there is great value in the shortness, usually 10x times when it comes to pricing.
@ Robert Cline
Please stop. Every village has an idiot…
Professional sales people know when to stop.
It is called overselling.
Have you thought about starting your own blog
instead of trying to build seo from here?
coPromoter.co is available
Interesting you are promoting a .com as your website.
But, you don’t own it in .co .
@BFitz
LOL!
X.co a new godaddy.com site check it out guys
Success breeds success. Here is what one person is saying.
“Gotta say I like what I’m seeing so far. I was wondering the other day how many great domains .mobi still has under belt that never saw the light of day. FAIL.
Seems like some smart peeps at the reins of .co.
Think I’ll keep mine and maybe buy some more.”
Momentum is building for .CO
^ Who was it that said that and why should we listen to them? ^
The reason .mobi failed was because it relied on the evolution of two internets (the regular one and a mobile one), which anyone with half a brain knew wasn’t going to occur. While the concept was relevant in the little fragment in time when .mobi was launched, you didn’t need to be Nostradamus to figure out that mobile internet wasn’t going to remain segregated for very long. .mobi was yet another example of tech laughing their asses off at ‘domainers’, since they realized it, but apparently, domainers didn’t (save for Schilling, who mocked .mobi then for precisely the same reason that eventually caused it to fall flat). .mobi could’ve given away free premium .mobi domains, it would’ve still failed hard.
The reason .co will remain on the margins is because it requires set-in-stone consumer sentiments to shift. Boutique marketing of ccTLD’s has been done before (.ws… It means WEBSITE!) and from that, there is a lot to learn about .co. I do agree it’s a bit different and the typo factor is real, but you can’t succeed by repackaging buzzards and selling them as swans.
@Morgan Linton
The difference between you and everyone else is that everybody buys .CO s with the thought of developing them. You buy domain names for typos and other marginal shady schemes it seems.
Ls is buying .co so he can eat well one day
OK, so at this point, both of you are just rambling incoherently.
Yo Ls you miss Namepros ? Why don’t you apply to dnforum and try your ego rants there. The big boys will tear you apart including me
Buy some decent names you punk
I’m done with the talker.
Have fun Ls and enjoy your big Macs
Ls Morgan, why don’t you go off to another board. Typo squatters and other scheme con artists are not welcome here.
This is for serious .CO developers only.
Ls Morgan, you have been citizen arrested and officially booted out of this board effective immediately.
Found guilty of typo squatting and pushing this scheme on to others.
Typo squatting? What the hell are you talking about? I don’t own a single typo name. Perhaps I assassinated John F Kennedy, too?
(Oh, and PS- “domainer”, I am a member at DNForum. Have been for quite some time. Namepros is a toilet of rookies and to be honest, DNF isn’t a whole lot better, these days. Aren’t you the guy who has been saying “.CO IS THE FUTURE! .COM IS DEAD!!” since you joined a few months back? If so, just understand you’re a laughingstock, even if you’re unaware of it)
Ls Morgan, majority rules and at least 2 here have citizen arrested you for pushing typo squatting. You know this is illegal and .CO founders have said they will have ZERO tolerance for this illegal activity.
You need to remove yourself back to Namepros.
LOL
Have fun people with LS the rookie who talks up a game
Robert Cline, we know you like to make hollow comments… This is why you will make comments about .co, but you won’t bet on those same comments, when others are perfectly willing to be against them.
So, I know it’s pointless to offer a standing wager with you- that you cannot point to a single typo name I own (because there aren’t any)- but I will do it anyway.
I own no typo names. You cannot reference a typo name I own.
Just as you can make stupid, baseless and irrational comments about the future of .co, I suppose you can do the same about anything else, including my owning typos. The difference is, while the future of .co allows you an infinite number of ‘tomorrows’ to hold out hope, claiming someone owns typo names should be proven quite easily…. So, I ask you to show the peanut gallery these typo names I own… That simple. No commentary, no bluster, no more retarded comments. Make a monkey of me and show these typo names I own…
This “LS Morgan” or whoever he is impersonating, what a looser.
I beginning to think Robert Cline and this LS Morgan character are the same or at least perhaps working together to create these irrational arguments. So pathetic, you fools are contributing nothing to .Co. Do something more worthy with your time.
I’m perfectly satisfied with every argument I’ve made and its basis in logic.
The one struggling with logic here seems to be you, lumping me into the lamentation of ‘not contributing to .co’. If anything, I’d be more aptly categorized as a .co detractor. Per logic (and basic reading comprehension), obviously, not a contributor.
I’m confident that .CO will be just as good or better than .COM. I believe .CO is the extension that has been hiding for a while and now is it’s time to shine. I personally like .CO more than .COM.
It is going to be recognized as a Company and Corporation extension. It’s true that .CO is the domain extension for Colombia but Google itself is treating it as an International domain rather than a Columbia domain.
Majority of websites are looking to do business and therefore create a company another reason why .CO is a perfect extension. The .COM is known for Commercial.
If any other extension was released I wouldn’t have found it as interesting and worthy but I’m sure many of us will agree that .CO is .COM’s competition.
@Eddy,
Do you read ALL the comments to the blog article, or do you just post what you want to believe?
Domainers haven’t even sold 1/10 of the best .com domains because most businesses don’t understand it’s important to own their generic prodserv. What makes you think .CO will suddenly explode on the scene and all businesses/consumers will understand what the extension is and how it helps their website?
I’m not posting about .CO domains anymore. There was a land rush, some good domains were bought, but until .COM burns out, no other extension is going to replace it. Dream on.
“”because most businesses don’t understand it’s important to own their generic prodserv””
I think this used to be the case but not so much any more. With SEO growing the understanding of domain names and how they can help or hurt your business is also growing hand in hand.
Its almost common knowledge now a days for ANYONE who owns a website that wants it listed (and believe me, businesses want their website listed in the top search spots) that your domain name plays a role in that. As each day passes more and more businesses become aware of that fact. As each day passes, more businesses attempt to purchase domain names that will help them secure a stronger showing on the listings.
Its the natural evolution of things. 10 years ago, shopping online was virtually non existent. Now, its everywhere. Smaller businesses are now seeing that they can reach a larger audience by putting their products online. In the process they are also learning SEO and what it takes to list in the top searches for a given keyword set.
Its just the way it is. The internet is every dynamic and ever growing. Knowledge is ever changing and ever expanding.
With (I think it was) 80,000,000 .COM domains out there being used or sitting and the resurgence of extensions like .ORG (12% in the last year or two) and .TV (up 83% in the last year or two) shows that there may be a tapering off trend for the .COM extension. In my opinion .COM is in the beginning stages of loosing its luster. Too many people now know that more generics are better and lets face it with 80 million used, most of the generics are GONE!
Just the way I see it
Cheers
.CO is a typo of .COM thats all it is good for unless .CO is used as a destination address for Columbian websites .CO will never make into the serps of Google.COM en’mass a few might sneak through over time but never en’mass how many .CM (Cameroon Africa) websites can you find on Google.com for any major key words “NONE” .CO is the little brother of .CM another typo these extensions have no usefullness in the North American search engines except as a typo nothing more develop all you like have your servers in North America nothing will help in the end once the hype is over and done with .CO will go the way of .CM nobody will remember it except those who paid through the nose for their .CO’s trying to scramble to recover their money and the fat guys will have left the scene after it has been milked for all they can out of .CO
“”.CO is a typo of .COM thats all it is good for””
Again I hear the same talking points.
Does no one ever decide to do their own research to devise their own thoughts anymore? Just a little bit of research here and you will see that the statement above is completely bogus not only for .CO but for any extension.
Very little research has brought up the fact that per **DAY** there are:
Google 91 million searches
Yahoo 60 million searches
MSN 28 million searches
AOL 16 million searches
Ask 13 million searches
other 6 million searches
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total 213 million searches per day from search engines
Look at how you search the web. Even if you know the address of the site you want to go to, do you type in www(dot) site name (dot) com?
Most people do not… physical type in traffic is obsolete.
Now you could say where you post on search engines is your definitions of type in traffic but that has less to do with the extension and more to do with SEO.
Completely different subject.
The point being is that any extension as a TYPO extension is non existent.
Very, Very, Very little traffic gets typed in now a days. And far less will be typo traffic.
Please for the sake of argument, next time do a little research for yourself. Do not repeat the same broken mantra that others before you have come with.
Its really starting to get tiring.
And for the record. It is my full opinion that .CO still has a long way to go before its considered a very good extension. .COM is still the best.
But of all the latest extensions that have been thrust upon us, .CO has the best chance of actually becoming something!
Just the way I see it.
Cheers
Besides Keyser Söze
We have talked about this subject on Noomle several times before.
You know I will come at you with some sort of research under my belt.
Cheers
Slate
A.K.A. Zorlock
“”how many .CM (Cameroon Africa) websites can you find on Google.com for any major key words “NONE””
@ Keyser Söze
I know we have had this conversation before about SEO and what it takes to list in the top 10 searches on Google or any other search engine.
One of the key factors is Domain age but before we get into that. I want you to look and see how many “KEYWORD” (dot) coms are in the top 10 of Google searches.
Most of the keyword top 10 searches are sub divisions of some other site.
For instance Wiki has tons of top 10 searches for keywords. But each of their top 10 is a sub division of the Wiki site.
It does NOT, I repeat does NOT matter what you extension is (as long as its gTLD). You have the ability to reach the same top 10 searches with a .CO, .CM, .NET, .ORG as you do with a .COM.
It depends on content, keywords, domain age, linkbacks, and soo many other things that we can fill up this thread. Please do NOT confuse SEO with domain extensions. It happens all too often and is wrong almost every time.
Just the way I see it
Cheers
I seriously doubt .co will be successful in the long run and predict you will see vast numbers of them dropping next year with .co sales reverting to the level of extensions such as .me
A few heavy hitters will make (or already did) earn lots of money from them such as clearly the #1 dot-co domainer Michael Mann. My question is how in the world did he manage to get that amazing powerful keyword portfolio. What was his secret?
David
This is not the first time Michael Mann has put together an amazing portfolio of domains is it?
So why would you be surprised that he has done it again?
“”My question is how in the world did he manage to get that amazing powerful keyword portfolio. What was his secret?””
If I am not mistaken, He registered the .com.co versions of this current .CO domains. So during that grandfathering period, he just exchanged them in.
Now that is from something I read that I can not quote right now. It has not been verified or proven. So take from it what you will.
As far as .CO being successful… its still up in the air. I do commend .CO on several things.
1) they have a great marketing strategy that .ME was surely lacking. I wont get into quantifying that statement right now but if you look around you will read it in some of my other posts.
2) They are keeping the fever alive and will be doing so for the foreseeable future. After the .CO landrush is done they will be auctioning off their PREMIUM domain names (to include single character domains). That will happen in an open auctions. That will surely draw tons of attentions and of course it will be drawn out to maximize exposure.
3) They have already started a following. The more we sit here an talk about it the more it keeps the subject in the forefront of domaining. Whether you like the extension or not, we are all gathered here and on ever major blog/forum to express out opinions. With the combined prolonging of the fever, we will probably be here for some time to come.
So in my opinion. .CO has the best chance to becoming a very good extension to the tune of .ORG or .NET. It has the best chance of any of the past extension and from what I can tell any of the future extensions as well.
Just the way I see it
Cheers
@ Slate:
//It does NOT, I repeat does NOT matter what you extension is (as long as its gTLD). You have the ability to reach the same top 10 searches with a .CO, .CM, .NET, .ORG as you do with a .COM.//
I dont think so. Run any test search that you like on Google.com from a North America location, USA. Show me and anybody else who might be interested “any” ranked sites that are foreign TLDs for any major keyword, example, display the ranking/page position for say “credit” or any other key word/s that display for the United Kingdom .CO.UK, France .FR, Germany .DE, China .CN, pick a Country any Country even Canada .CA you wont find any foreign sites that rank en’mass from a Google.com United States mainland search. .CO will never rank en’mass, EVER.
@Keyser
Way off.Google does not give you the option to geotarget with .co.uk, , fr or any of the other extensiosn you listed(with .co geotargeting is possible).
“It does NOT, I repeat does NOT matter what you extension is (as long as its gTLD). You have the ability to reach the same top 10 searches with a .CO, .CM, .NET, .ORG as you do with a .COM”
But the problem with the above statement made earlier by a contributor is that it’s inaccurate since .CO is a country code extension ccTLD (as is .cm) and NOT a gTLD. As a result, I can’t imagine it ranking well in U.S. Google searches but will rank highly in Colombia Google. Still one more reason I expect the .CO mania to quickly go away and most all the .co names dropping next year when the high renewal bills arrive and it’s realized the domains get very little if any traffic.
“.CO is a country code extension ccTLD…”
That is mantra, largely concocted by Jon Postel, who vanished in 1998.
Some claim he died. The timing was very interesting to say the least.
ICANN was created to give him a corporate vehicle, separate from USC/ISI.
People went forward with ICANN without Postel.
You might want to check his recent FaceBook updates, here in 2010.
Long after 1998, USC/ISI also claimed his email was still working.
Not sure what ‘mantra’ means but I do know ccTLDs and gTLDs (i.e. com net org biz info) are well known and established extension definitions, very likely used by Google. Still can’t see how a geo location extension like .CO could possibly rank well vs the gTLDs, except in Colombia.
@David
Do you think .ORG will exist in 5 years ?
Have you considered that Google can change their “software” that drives search?
Have you looked at Microsoft’s Peer-Name-Resolution-Protocol (PNRP) that replaces DNS ? (for FREE with no central root servers)
@David
Read up on “Google” and “Geo-targetting”.
@David
Maybe a new “Mantra” should be: “MEME” is a better word than “MANTRA”
Sorry, imo, .ORG gTLD is much better vs .CO ccTLD.
I also agree with what Keyser Söze said several posts earlier…
in my humble opinion, if you have not picked up at least a half dozen or so quality .co domains you really should. Don’t be so .com that you are no future good. type in traffic will fade, is fading and branding will rule the big boys will make sure of it. are you a visionary or not? .co is different and you would know if you have any instinct to this business, hope you do! I picked up a fantastic a 6 figure .com version today for 29 bucks …. that is .com price plus inflation since 1999! take a chance you might be happy you did and if not, well don’t renew it after a couple of years, now move one with it!
Well Guys,
I purchased about 12 .CO’s last year, the buyer is very keen on 6 of them, I have the manual appraisal done currently.
$60,000- to $80,000- for 6 domains I purchased just over 10 months ago is that good?
Doing my homework as to whether purchase a .co or not while there are still good names available.
This was the first site I came to after doing a Google search.
I’m still a bit confused but I think I’ll give it a shot.
Thanks for all of your input.
this is funny check out for .COM vs .CO
and here is the site for .CO
http://www.cointernet.co