I was looking back at the events of this week concerning the ad.com disputes, I realized that I had never read the “bidders contract” that I have signed many times at TRAFFIC and DomainFest shows, with Moniker.com
I know your thinking “how could Mike, being an attorney, never read the contract?
Well if you have ever been to a TRAFFIC or DomainFest show, you would see that most bidder sign up and get their paddles right before the auction.
Typically, there is a lunch before the auction, then everyone heads over to the table outside the auction room to sign up and get a paddle.
When you “signup” for a paddle your actually signing a contract with Moniker.com.
However like most of you I just signed whatever they shoved in front of me as quickly as possible, grabbed my paddle and headed into the auction room to grab a seat.
Did I have a chance to sit at the table and read the contract?
Sure.
Could I have asked for a copy of the contract the day before and read through it before signing it.
Absolutely.
But I never did, and I venture to guess, that 99% of you guys have never read the contract either.
So again in light of this weeks events, and with another TRAFFIC show upon us in 2 months, I thought it would be a good idea to read the contract we all sign to get a bidders paddle and see what it says.
First for the disclaimer:
The following is my own personal opinion and should not be relied on by anyone as legal advice. Anyone bidding in the auction should seek out their own attorney to have this contract (and any other auction houses contract) reviewed to get competent legal advice. The discussion contained here is meant to be a general discussion about the Moniker’s bidders contract and not about any particular case or domain.
I feel so much better already.
Now as I read the contract, its seems pretty strong to me.
Remember this contract is between the bidder and Moniker.com.
It outlines your rights and responsibilities and Moniker.com rights and responsibility.
(After you win a domain auction, there is a second contract that is signed between the buyer, the seller and Moniker.com. We are not looking at that one right now.)
Now back to the bidders contract.
IMHO, The contract does quite clearly state that if you are the high bidder, on a domain, your a liable to moniker for their commission (15%) of the high bid/selling price, plus you are liable for all of Moniker.com’s costs and expenses, including their reasonable legal fees.
Moreover by signing the bidders contract, you are subjecting yourself to jurisdiction of, and the case will be held in Los Angeles, California.
That means you will have to hire a lawyer who is licensed to practice in that jurisdiction and for any court matters that require your presence, you will have to come to in LA.
IMHO I think the only possible defense to this contract could be if you could show that Moniker had actualy notice of a problem with the domain, prior to the auction, and didn’t disclose it.
So if for example Moniker received notice from a third party, claiming rights in a domain prior to the auction, and did not disclosed the problem or claim, prior to the auction, you might have a defense to the claim for commission.
Assuming Moniker.com had no direct knowledge, of any problem or claim, then between you, as the bidder and Moniker.com as the auction house, your stuck for the commission.
Here is the contract for your and your attorney’s review:
“”””This agreement (“Agreement”) outlines the terms by which a Buyer may participate in any live auction event or portion thereof (“Auction”) of domain names conducted by Moniker. By signing this Agreement, Buyer expressly acknowledges that they have read, understood and accept the terms in this Agreement.
2. Term:
This Agreement commences upon Buyer’s express acceptance of the Agreement. The Agreement terminates at the end of the Auction, or when Moniker has delivered all domains purchased by Buyer at Auction to Buyer, whichever comes later.
3. Payments:
A domain name purchased by Buyer during the Auction must be paid for in full within [ ] business days of the close of the Auction. Payment must be remitted via wire transfer, cashier’s check, or personal check. If payment is performed via personal check Moniker may delay delivery of the purchased domain name until the check clears. Moniker reserves the right to accept payment in any form other than those listed at Moniker’s sole discretion.
4. Confidentiality:
Moniker will not share any personally identifying information we gather about Buyer unless we are legally compelled to do so. Moniker reserves the right to share Buyer’s bid alias and bids during the auction, and following the auction may disclose the domain names sold and their final auction prices.
5. Moniker Responsibilities:
Moniker will:
a. Auction domain names and award them to the highest qualified bidder at the close of bidding. A qualified bidder is one who in Moniker’s sole discretion is determined to have the ability to fully comply with this Agreement.
b. If Buyer is the highest qualified bidder for a certain domain name (the “Name”), work with Buyer to facilitate Buyer’s payment to Moniker for the Name.
c. If the Name is registered at a registrar controlled by Moniker, Moniker will provide Buyer with all reasonable assistance to manage the Name.
d. Upon receipt of payment (and the clearing of funds, if applicable), Moniker will promptly deliver the Name to Buyer.
e. Proactively and aggressively work to prevent and/or contain any fraudulent activity related to the Auction.
6. Buyer Responsibilities:
Buyer hereby:
a. Affirms that they understand and agree that any bid entered in the Auction is a binding agreement to purchase the domain name bid upon at the price bid, and that Buyer agrees to be bound by his bid.
b. Agrees that upon winning a Name, Buyer will promptly, within seven business days, pay Moniker the full purchase price in a manner prescribed by Moniker.
c. Affirms that at the time of placing the bid Buyer has sufficient resources available so that should Buyer’s bid be accepted the transaction can be completed.
d. If acting as an agent, Buyer represents that it has the authority to bind Buyer’s principal to all terms contained in this Agreement and that a breach of this Agreement by Buyer’s principal will be considered a breach by Buyer.
7. Warranties; Disclaimer of Warranties:
a. Moniker warrants with respect to itself only that:
i. It has the legal power and authority to enter into this Agreement;
ii. It will perform its obligations under this Agreement in a timely manner, in good faith and with all due skill and care;
iii. Its performance under this Agreement shall comply with all applicable laws, regulation and policy.
b. Buyer warrants with respect to itself only that:
i. It has the legal power and authority to enter into this Agreement;
ii. It will perform its obligations under this Agreement in a timely manner, in good faith and with all due skill and care;
iii. To its knowledge, no action or relationship described or contemplated by this Agreement (including Buyer’s ownership of a domain name purchased at the Auction) infringes, or will cause to be infringed, the intellectual property rights of any third person; and
iv. Its performance under this Agreement shall comply with all applicable laws, regulation and policy.
OTHER THAN THE EXPRESS WARRANTIES ABOVE, THE PARTIES ACKNOWLEDGE THE ADVANCED AND SPECULATIVE NATURE OF DOMAIN NAME SALES AND AUCTIONS AND UNDERSTAND THAT NO GUARANTEES OR WARRANTIES CAN BE MADE OR EXPECTED WITH RESPECT TO THE VALUE OF A DOMAIN NAME OR THE SERVICES CONTEMPLATED HEREIN. EACH PARTY THEREFORE DISCLAIMS ALL WARRANTIES, EXPRESS, IMPLIED OR STATUTORY, WITH REGARD TO THE SERVICES PROVIDED UNDER THIS AGREEMENT, INCLUDING ANY WARRANTY OF MERCHANTABILITY, FITNESS FOR THE PARTICULAR PURPOSE, AND EACH PARTY AGREES THAT THERE ARE NO WARRANTIES CREATED BY COURSE OF DEALING, COURSE OF PERFORMANCE OR TRADE USAGE. IN PARTICULAR, NEITHER PARTY WARRANTS THAT THE PERFORMANCE OF THEIR PORTION OF THE AGREEMENT WILL BE UNINTERRUPTED OR ERROR-FREE.
9. Indemnification:
Buyer agrees to indemnify, defend and hold harmless Oversee.net and Moniker and its subsidiaries, officers, directors, employees, agents, successors and assigns, at its expense, from any and all third party claims, actions, damages, liabilities, costs and expenses, including reasonable attorneys’ fees and expenses, arising from or related to any breach of a warranty or failure to perform any covenants required of it under this Agreement.
10. Limitation of Liability:
IN NO EVENT WILL EITHER PARTY BE LIABLE FOR SPECIAL, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR PUNITIVE DAMAGES, LOSS OF BUSINESS, REVENUE OR PROFITS EVEN IF IT HAS BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES. EACH PARTY’S MAXIMUM LIABILITY TO THE OTHER UNDER THIS CONTRACT, WHETHER BASED IN CONTRACT, TORT (INCLUDING NEGLIGENCE) OR OTHER LEGAL THEORY, WILL BE THE RECOVERY OF ACTUAL, DIRECT DAMAGES UP TO A TOTAL OF THE WINNING BID AMOUNTS WITH RESPECT TO THE DOMAIN NAME(S) AT ISSUE.
11. Governing Law, Venue:
This Agreement will be governed by the laws of the state of California, without reference to conflict of laws principles. The parties agree that jurisdiction and venue for any action arising out of or pertaining to this License will be proper only in the state and federal courts located in Los Angeles, California.
12. Modifications:
All amendments or modifications of this Agreement will be binding upon the parties despite any lack of consideration so long as the same are expressly agreed to by Seller and Moniker. It is expressly agreed that no usage of trade or other regular practice or method of dealing between the parties will be used to modify, interpret, supplement or alter in any manner the express terms of this Agreement.
13. Miscellaneous:
The parties are independent contractors and do not intend to create any partnership, joint venture, agency, franchise, sales representative or employment relationship between the parties. This Agreement constitutes the entire understanding between the parties relating to the subject matter of this Agreement and supersedes all prior writings, negotiations or understandings with respect thereto. No modification or addition to this Agreement will have any effect except as set forth in Section 11. Notice must be given to Moniker at the address set forth on its web site and to Seller at the administrative address listed in the Seller’s account. Notice will be deemed to have been received upon personal delivery (including confirmed fax), one day after mailing by nationally known overnight carrier or five days after mailing by certified mail, return receipt requested. The section headings appearing in this Agreement are inserted only as a matter of convenience and in no way define, limit, construe or describe the scope or extent of such section or in any way affect such section. “”””
Ok so that was the bidders contract for Moniker.com, which you sign before you get a paddle.
Each auction house will have their own contract, which you should of course read as well in advance, and seek out legal advice on, if your planning on bidding.
Johnny says
I actually did read it back in April before the auction.
I agree it seems pretty tight, however one of my winning bidders complained to Moniker about the contract and it took almost two months for them to pay up. What they complained about I don’t know, but I was told the complaint had never been heard by Moniker before and they had to deal with them appropriately.
I give Kudos to Moniker for seeing it through and making it happen.
Yaron says
There is one thing nobody is talking about – During all of those years AOL sent tons of traffic to AD.COM
Did they do it intentionally?
Think about it – someone is writing a story about your company but instead of your website he gives my website address…
again and again and again… to the point that everybody recognize my company as yours…
we are talking about millions (yes millions) of unique visitors that went to AD.com
Now we know why the owner of AD.COM never complained, but why did AOL didn’t mind loosing so much traffic?
MHB says
Yaron
That is a good point.
I think the owner of ad.com would say he didn’t know about it that is why he never complained.
Advertising.com itself went around calling itself ad.com as well
MHB says
There is also adcom.com which deals in home entertainment equipment.
Which is trademarked by the way.
Yaron says
MHB,
Why did advertising.com go around calling themselves ad.com?????????
Patrick McDermott says
“Why did advertising.com go around calling themselves ad.com?????????”
Most likely it was just speech abbreviation.
Domain Development says
Yaron & Patrick,
And I wonder why advertising.com redirects to http://www.platform-a.com ?
Whatever warm/fuzzy feeling your visitor had by clicking/visiting your premium domain is lost when you redirect them to http://www.platform-a.com … and then the visitor bounces !
– Richard
Johnny says
Most likely it was sneaky TM lawyers…..IMHO. The scum has risen from the bottom of the pond and now it is everywhere causing a sulfuric smell.
It’s all getting ready to blow up and everyone will see here soon. Watch it unfold here in the next year or so……The NAF is going down in flames, maybe WIPO too, but definitely the National Arbitration Forum. They are up to their ears in “bad faith” maneuvers against regular domain owners. Who controls the NAF? A bunch of shell companies with ties to laywers, that’s who.
These are the TM lawyers that started planning this stuff around 2000. There’s all kinds of evidence of what has been being planned for years. If you dig, dig, dig, dig ….you will find it.
The NAF is just a tool they use to steal domains. The NAF not unbiased at all.
Yes, every once in a while they throw the dog a bone to make it look legit, but it is just a racket.
MHB says
Johnny
I agree with you on the NAF, did you see my post on them:
http://www.thedomains.com/2009/07/20/udrp-panel-is-barred-from-deciding-credit-disputes-forever-why-is-still-honest-enough-to-decide-domain-disputes/
Yaron says
Patrick,
speech abbreviation ???
Can you imagine hotels.com calling itself hotel.com ?
How about facebook.com calling themselves face.com?
Do you understand how much traffic they sent to ad.com? must be a reason for that.
Patrick McDermott says
“speech abbreviation ???
Can you imagine hotels.com calling itself hotel.com ?”
Yes I know.
I think it was just an abbreviation used at first by the media to refer to Advertising.com.
I personally don’t believe the media or anyone at AOL (Advertising.com)
was referring to the actual Ad.com website when Ad.com was being used.
Yaron says
sooner or later AOL will have to answer this question.
I can’t believe there is not even one person at AOL who didn’t understand how ridiculous it is.
Also, why AOL never tried to buy ad.com ? if they love it so much why not spend the 1.4 mil and have it?
D says
I probably have never signed this contract before bidding. Usualy just say “Hey John give me paddle, write down Mr. D” “OK here is your paddle D”. Or if not bidding live just write an email “Hey Monte, here is my proxybids”.
D says
But some domains I had to wait up to 6 month to be delivered so in the future after bidding I will require change in the contract “if domain is not delivered within 1 month I am retracting my bid”.
stephen douglas says
Great article, Mikey.
I’m going to ride in “D’s” wagon and say the contract should add the following terms:
1) If Bidder doesn’t pay in 30 days, the seller, regardless of any legal issues the buyer tries to raise, can withdraw the domain from the sale agreement. (If one entity agrees to buy at a price, it’s fairly guaranteed that another competitor will roll up soon to offer same if domain hits the open market after sour deal).
2) If Seller doesn’t release the domain within 30 days after being paid, Bidder/buyer can opt out and get a full refund, with 3% interest pro-rated daily charged to the bidder.
I’m sick of selling domains where don’t get the cash within 30 days. Unless I have a direct 72 hour intermittent communication with the buyer, I want a contract that tells me I can walk clean if I get a flakey buyer. This is fair. It’s easy to spot the companies that hang on to your money for as long as they can after they sell your domain.
It’s easy to see that combined domain sales payment become large sums creating higher daily interest for the auction site – at your expense. Fastest payout domain seller for me? Sedo. They don’t need to grasp onto your funds from a legit sale and payment for as long as possible to make their financial portfolio look sweeter to whoever.
I’ve been on both sides of the fence on this, where I had to delay payment on a domain purchase for various reasons, but I kept in contact with the seller every 48 hours to let them know my status. However, I’ve sold domains through auctions where even after the auction company was paid, I still had to wait over a week to get “notified” that the funds were available for “payout”. And even the payout, if processed late Friday, meant you wouldn’t get paid until Monday – maybe. (Apparently there is nobody to “process” a payout to me that should be automated, since the payout request is initiated online at their site.)
Not naming any names, yet.
Domain Investor says
Stephen, you didn’t mention one of the nice functions of Sedo when a buyer doesn’t pay. They tell you who didn’t pay.
Your point #2 is a little confusing.
Are you saying the bidder has to pay the 3% or receive the 3%?
I assume receive the 3%.
But, how do you think it will be collected?
It gets very complicated because of the location of the seller.
MHB says
Stephen
The changes you are referring to would be for the Agreement the Buyer signs after he purchases the domain at auction.
The agreement I wrote about is just the bidding agreement a bidder signs to get his paddle. That agreement is just between Moniker.com and the buyer and does not include the Seller.
I was going to cover the Sales contract next weekend.
Moreover not sure just because a domain sells at auction there is another buyer waiting in the wings.
Several defaults have occurred on domain purchases and most of the time, those remain unsold, including ad.com
John Berryhill says
“How about facebook.com calling themselves face.com?”
Beat still, my heart.
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MHB says
John
They don’t