During the ICANN Meeting in Paris this week, ICANN annouced that it was seriously considering whether to opening up domain names to endless variations and approve hundreds of new extensions including .berlin, .paris, .quebec .cat (for Catalonia) and one for the big apple, .nyc
“We’re talking about introducing potentially thousands more names,” said Paul Levins, executive officer of Icann “The addressing system hasn’t fundamentally changed since its invention. These changes have the potential to have a huge impact on the way we express ourselves on the Net.”
Icann’s board is poised to vote on whether to set up the broad criteria for approving new domain names with limitless possibilities. It would allow companies to turn their own brands into domains or to create broad product groups such as .car, .sports or .bank.
Ebay is already a contender to use its name, according to Levins, who added, “You can imagine the branding opportunities.”
So is everyone ready for .ebay??
It is now expected that ICANN will adopt a new system, which would set in motion a process that eventually would start to open up the Internet to hundreds of new names by the beginning of next year.
Icann estimated that only 17 percent of an available pool of 4 billion network addresses remained, and they are expected to run out in the next five years.
The application fee for a domain name has not been set, but candidates estimate that it could range from $39,000 to $390,000.
Icann is also prepared to set up an auction system if competing groups bid for the same name.
Private companies would reap their profit by selling the domain names to registrars, which would then sell them to individual customers.
Icann is also setting up standards that would allow the regulator to reject applications from people who try to grab trademarked names or to rebuff proposals on moral grounds or because of community objections.
“They’ve discussed scenarios where someone wants to have .football and how to cope with it if it means soccer or football. And they’ve also talked about what happens if someone proposes .jihad,” said Lenz-Hawliczek, from the Berlin project. “It’s a really complex issue, and we’ve been discussing it for the past three years. It’s not easy.”
With hundreds of new extensions what would the effect be on the valuation of exsiting extensions?
Our guess, .com’s maybe become even more valuable as confusion will reign when people have too many choices, they will naturally default back to .com’s.
County codes would be much less valuable as every major world city will get their own extension.
extensions like .info, .biz will suffer.
.Net’s I think are also in jeopardy of devaluation.
.Org’s I think will be have the most stable valuation after .Com’s
Geo domains might be at the most risk.
Is Brooklyn.com as valuable if there is a Brooklyn.nyc?
One thing is for certain.
For trademark holders, domainers and anyone else who want to protect their brand, its going to get very expensive to register hundreds maybe thousands of domains using different extensions.
And if companies are allowed their own extension, what a money maker it would be.
People will be lining up to get their personal and/or business name.
mike.ebay or mike.google
Got to love those.
I think you hit the nail on the head with the possibility of .coms increasing in value. However, even if they didn’t and remained the same, one thing for certain based on current trends, is that .coms would receive increased traffic amounts from all the extensions.
Giving consumers choices is what makes America great. They will be the ones that decide what to embrace as new alternatives are presented to access information online. Domainers will never be able to determine this, and this has already been proven. The secret is effective development.
I would have to disagree with you about geo domains dropping in value. They are intuitive brands that will increase in value with traffic, and generate additional ad revenue.
Keep in mind, that all great geo domains with the exception of only a few are developed into businesses. They are not PPC. SO increased traffic equals into increased advertising rates, making the geo domain/business even more valuable. It is hard to compare geo domains to generic domains, because a large amount of generic .com domains are PPC and not developed.
Additionally, this would be great for the geo domain industry, as it would only advance the industry with extensions such as .paris, .texas, .london, .nyc, etc.
This is why the geo domain industry is so underrated by most domainers. It is so much bigger than what many domainers make it out to be. There is so much growth in future for the internet. Will .com remain king? or will the same media companies use their .brands to take back their power from domainers and competitors?
Consumers are loyal, and will follow media companies that make it convenient for them to access all information without going through all the middle men to get it.
The future will reveal new marketing strategies and the outcome of all these new extensions. I think if ICANN approves this, traditional companies will take back alot of power by using their established brands to deliver to consumers online. It will be a dream come true for most and be almost like their own social network, that will enable them to reach out to consumers at will.
If Apple can do this with mac.com and now me.com, can you imagine the rest of the major brands?
moreextensions.stupid
New extensions was always inevitable “giving consumers choices is what makes world trade great”
The marketing anchor was dropped with the initial .com and country codes, every established corporate, media company, search engine, is Google.com Google.fr Google.co.uk Baidu.com. ……………….
In the UK if my car registration is DON 3456 it is because DON 1/ DON 2 / DON3 / has gone or I cannot afford them, then I might go for sexy 69 whatever !!
As for the geo’s IMO it will be incumbent on the registrants to develop authorative sites Geo domainsers have a collective social responsibility.
All dotcoms (including Geodomains) would spike in value. The public’s Pavlovian response is already “When in doubt go to the dotcom” and adding this many TLDs would only make it more so.
gee whiz, I love the idea of coming to 300 variations of road signs on how to get to New York at a traffic intersection. Confusion? -heh heh
John
http://unplain.com
In my opinion Post No. 4 is correct; .COM will always be the go to extension and it will keep on increasing in value if additional TLDs come to the marketplace. Just a general comment, your Blog is invaluable resource for the domain community, keep up the great work.
give me one good reason for a company like ebay to be interested in a .ebay extension. how a name like cameras.ebay is good for them? these companies spend million of dollars protecting their brand/TM. why would they dilute it? a name like cameras.ebay is the worst thing they can have…
The application fee for a domain name has not been set, but candidates estimate that it could range from $39,000 to $390,000.
thats WAY too expensive!
If a company was able to acquire a TLD (.ebay for example), could they limit who was able to purchase names in the TLD, or would the public be permitted to register any names that the TLD registry (managed by that company) decided not to hold back ala .Mobi (Cameras.ebay for example)? If they couldn’t prevent the public from registering domain names in their extension, could they be diluting their trademark enough that they couldn’t claim TM rights to domain names using their TM in other TLD? For example, if Ebay is selling their TLD that any Joe or Mike could buy, they’ve sufficiently unprotected their trademark and couldn’t file a UDRP against MikesEbayStore.com, as Mike could claim that the TM was diluted by the .ebay registry.
If this makes no sense, I apologize – it’s too early in the AM.
Free market will determine popularity and number of extensions.
If consumers want .ebay or the like, they will buy it.
If they don’t, registries won’t launch one new extension after another if they don’t make money.
Not sure how many businesses will do this for profit. Many will do it for a loss and call it a marketing expense though.
So, bring on the free market.
We could use more .ws, .cc, .name .pro, etc 🙂
When you slice this up there will be some name spaces that will loose and some that wont. Its a hard knock for major city geo domains, but not really that harder knock. If you take something that is really valuable and rare, and then produce a second duplicate of it, how much does the original devalue? Not a great deal. Brooklyn.com and Brooklyn.nyc will still be worth a bundle, so will brooklyn.org 🙂 There are only a hand full of variations. There are simply not enough name variations to ever make domains a non commodity. Extensions like .car .sport are so specific they dont really dilute the potency of the big generics.
I think it’ll be a wash. When you have .linux and .surfing and .photoshop, lots of people will immediately not care about the .com and go to the more descriptive domain. However, still for any true business, .com will reign king. Especially for premium dot coms. I would expect hundreds of businesses to start up from True.photoshop, True.linux, True.Africa, but as these businesses grow they will want the True.com domain to represent they are a legitimate business. So premium domains will go up in value. Less premiums might have a little less demand, since I can see many people opting for Mike.Photoshop over MikesPhotoshop.com – since it’s shorter and more descriptive. Only time will tell.
I think corporate domains especially in the case of .ebay would be very popular.
How many power sellers does ebay have?
Thousands, tens of thousands?
Wouldn’t every power seller who has an ebay store
want to have a .ebay address?
I would think so.
What about a guy who has a store pet store in new york and wants a domain
if newyorkpetstore.com is taken why wouldn’t he go with petstore.nyc as the second choice?
I see these names as being a great second choice for such business, rather than them going to .net’s, .info and certainly .us.
These certainly will not effect the value of top one and two word .com’s but may reduce the value of domains which as for businesses which want a local online presence rather than a worldwide one.
Remember not every business is looking for a worldwide customer base but trying to increase foot traffic to its storefront.
For those the country extensions like .nyc, .paris, etc, will satisfy
Elliot
I assume that the company would be the registrar and could hold back any domains they wanted to for their own use or auction off the top tier ones like .mobi and the new .me registry did.
Moreover most of these would priced higher than .com’s (my assumption) at least initially.
How much money would this add to companies bottom line.
Even if the cost is $250,000 ebay will have millions of registrations at say $50 a year.
Google would have maybe tens of millions.
Company’s could bundle e-mail services and hosting services together with the registration.
Has huge potential.
I think Mike’s assessment; should this even come to pass; will prove to be most accurate.
For companies like eBay, Google, Yahoo, MSN, and a few other of the (primarily) web-based companies/ divisions, they could find themselves with perhaps up to 100’s of thousands of takers each for .google, .yahoo, .msn, etc extensions.
But–other than companies like eBay; which has millions of actual product and service providers who would likely be thrilled to have a .ebay address; I see other companies’ extensions being used largely for only vanity purposes (i.e. .name, .me, etc); and not for actual business (i.e. money making) purposes.
In addition, David is correct that; because mass extensions will to a very, very high degree mean little more than mass confusion, the large majority of confused people unable to remember what the extension was they saw or heard was; and especially so in the US; will default to the .com version.
And this includes geo domains.
Getting economically significant and profitable percentages of the public to embrace any given new extension will be like trying to convince the public to re-embrace print newspapers.
It ain’t gonna happen.
Which is why; if ICANN does this (and I hope they do); .coms will become only more valuable than they are today.
guys, read my lips:
eBay will NEVER sell .ebay domains !
not – cameras.ebay, and not – mike.eBay
thats the last thing on earth eBay/Google/MSFT will do.
Great post – Interesting response – hmmmmm
I think that this is inevitable. Thousands of small businesses will continue to open each year, the majority of which will need a web presence. The supply of domain names is dwindling, and many of these start-ups can’t afford to pay a premium. If this passes, businesses and individuals now have more affordable options to establish a web presence. While dot-com may be the most recognized extension, the public will eventually get more used to using different extensions as well.
Does this spell doom and gloom for the domain industry? No. All industries face change, and ours is no exception. We just need to adapt to the changing environment and take advantage of the opportunities these changes present.
i think this will undermine even more the already absurd argument that domains are a “scarce resource”.
more extensions just gives more options\outlets for people to get creative with, so the creative types will embrace this and will create more color on the web. The control freaks, will be threatened at first for fear of more extensions that will have to control, but will continue to consolidate traffic domains in any popular extension, until the end of time.
The greatest growth will continue to occur in ccTLDs.
The choices coming up will bring a lot of con.fusion.
You can either have a John.Doe.Name or a JohnDoe.com or a John.Doe.
I personally think when some concept gets too cluttered, everyone loses, whther it is a brand or a domainer.
The one point made here does make sense though. There will be more inadvertant traffic to the dot coms when they shoud be going to .nyc or .paris or .whatever.
More the reason why i’m now investing .TV more than anything else.
Yes .Com will hold its value if this crazy kitcsh idea happens, however i’m afraid to say it will inevitably be diluted. Here’s why:
if you were to type in new york apartment in google search and newyorkapartment.nyc came up number one against newyorkapartment.com, therein lies the big problem! google really dosen’t care what extension you use, all it cares about is who has the best content, seo’d site etc… therefore one could argue the only value is if that domain has significant natural type in traffic and most .com’s don’t regardless of what people think.
Search is still king and will always be for many many years to come, unless you believe google will be going out of business anytime soon.
The reason I believe .TV stands out the most from every single extension, is because it is the only extension “term” that is common to every human kind on earth! everyone knows what TV naturally stands for, even in the remotest parts of africa. Therefore people will gravitate to .TV as long as they cognitively want to consume video for almost anything, apartments, realestate, travel, shopping or whatever. I strongly urge domainers to not get emotional with .com and diversify into .TV as quickly as possible while there are still opportunities.
I can tell you right now, there are a lot of companies in the UK and States side using .TV to launch their own video tv channels for whatever product or service. At the end of the day, Video will always be king in comparison to text, which is why Television Networks are far more lucrative than print media. It is simply the way human beings prefer to consume information when given the option. It will definetely translate as the same on the web.
Just think for instance, would you rather go to SkiRealEstate.com or SkiRealEstate.tv to look at ski homes? I think the answer is very obvious. I was told as an investment banker when i first started out in california….never get too emotional with a stock and never argue with a profit!
Clearly, most comments were posted by .com holders.
Robert Haastrup-Timmi,
You make strong arguments. If you made those arguments in support of .com, you’d be 100% correct instead of going down the wrong road. Dotcom is synonymous with the internet, with commerce, with business. Hundreds of billions of dollars have been spent advertising dotcom domains over the past 15 years. It’s in the collective unconscious even more so than 1-800 is associated with toll-free numbers. It’s here to stay. If I were really sinister and greedy, I’d encourage you and everyone else to buy up .TV and the other lesser extensions. Less competition for me.
It still amazes me how even in 2008, people are still using arguments that the Rick Schwartz detractors were using against him 11 years ago. They lost out then and you will lose out now and in the future.
I apologize if this is coming off as arrogance but how many times does the same message have to be said before people finally get it?
Tom, your comments are not arrogant at all! infact I for one love debates, every thing is open.
You may have read the main article on DNJournal this month featuring Chris Harnett, Multi-Millionnaire. Read it carefully, he has collected over 17,000 .TV domains and he clearly points out why.
Let me make something very clear, my perspectives are my own and like a lot of us, I pretty much grew up with the internet industry from working at macromedia where i learnt a lot. Look at it another rational way Tom: suppose I was advising clients how to invest in domain names on a daily basis, or suppose you or I were contracted to consult for a company and advise on domain trends and what to invest in as dynamics change without bias. What will you tell your clients? Oh just because billions have always been invested in this specific asset class, it will always be the same, so yes put all your eggs into one basket?
Diversity is a virtue of every business and you have to weigh options as the environment changes and that is what I see steadily happening in our industry. Yes .Com is very strong today, but that could well change and I suspect it might because users in web 2.0 will want to consume more video, simply because the environment now allows it, hence .TV as the natural extension for that.
Print came before TV, but once TV arrived, well everyone wanted an idiot box to watch! I fully respect comments from people like Chris Harnett, that is a highly respected multi-millionnaire with great business experience. If he is investing agressively into .TV, could he be onto something? Remember people once thought the internet was crap and would not change lives. Well it has gone through boom, bust and boom and tremendous change.
I speculate that .TV will form part of the next strong change. Read the article on DNjournal and see what you think!
Tony
I agree with you.
We do own a couple of thousand .eu, .es, .be, .tv, etc, so we do not only own .com’s.
I think the big losers in the release of hundreds of more extensions are all extensions other than .com and .org
Extensions like .info, .biz, country codes, will suffer greatly.
I think .eu may suffer the most if European cities get their extensions like .paris and .berlin (and for all of you mostwanteddomains.eu owns hundreds of them)
.tv is very limited to television related products, programs, shows, networks, a very select products, that’s it.
Domainers and major corporations will all be chasing the top 1000 keywords, for each extension. All of us will want realestate.nyc, travel.nyc, visit.nyc, restaurants.nyc, shop.nyc, etc. for new york and each major city.
My guess is at the end of the day the general public will wind up with very few of the best terms.
It’s nothing but a money making operation for ICANN and registries the registrars.
You have to love the .com spin oh its great either way. If you own .com especially Geo like the admin wrote this is not good. Spin it anyway you like it but it is not good. If there is a .nyc and maybe seattle wants a .seattle and sells domains. Cities need to raise revenue they could become registrars selling Tom.seattle. last names .seattle, LLL.seattle. So if you want to tell me the owner of Seattle.com is happy if that happened, I think that is nothing more than spin to keep valuations up. Nice article Michael.
admin quote
“.tv is very limited to television related products, programs, shows, networks, a very select products, that’s it.”
And that’s precisely the point why .tv has distinction! because it is naturally associated with television, shows, video etc it stands out more than every other extension including .com.
So if generic websites start offering video more than text driven sites, that is a potential paradigm shift! and that is partly what Chris Harnett was suggesting.
Besides, a 2o year old really could’nt care less about what extension .nyc, .info, .org etc.., that generation care more about what they want and I can assure you it certainly ain’t .com..they really dont’t give a damn! for the nay sayers, better hope I’m wrong that they dont want their .TV!
The best time for .TV is right now – not in the future.
Why? Because it is quickly becoming an archaic term with the 30 and under demographic. They don’t say telephone, they say cell phone. They don’t say record album, they say CD. And they don’t say television.
The people reading this blog are vastly ahead of the curve. I would venture that 95+% of the population will deflect to dotcom. Except for some ccTLDs, any extension but dotcom is 100% dependent on search engine rankings for their traffic.
The best time for .TV is right now – not in the future.
Why? Because it is quickly becoming an archaic term with the 30 and under demographic. They don’t say telephone, they say cell phone. They don’t say record album, they say CD. And they don’t say television.
Hysterical thanks for the laugh I would be more worried in keeping GEO valuations up because with .seattle..losangeles.florida they are going down
And when you go to a store they cell phone because it is a cell phone not a telephone, they do not say record album because it is a cd, Last I checked when I went to best buy they called the rectangular thing that shows pictures a tv or a television. THEY DO SAY TV becasue it is a TV. WOW THE.com spin gotta love it it is hysterical
Hugh:
If I were the owner of Seattle.com (Dan Pulcrano) I would be kicking my heels at the thought of all those .Seattle extensions. Why? Because all it does is create a gigantic branding pyramid with Seattle.com sitting right at the top.
When you make the city name the TLD you’ve just split the city 10,000 ways, but there is still only one Seattle.com.
David, there is also only one .seattle if people think of that as the authoritative site over time it will decrease the value of seattle.com typos or people forgetting extensions don’t last forever. I am sorry but dilution does not help anyone, never has , never will. No one wants to be diluted in an investment. I am not saying oh sell but it is not good.
Wow! it’s getting rather hot in here! but thats what its all about. Hugh is absolutly right! all my mates on facebook say let’s watch TV! i told a friend tonight on facebook, that i just submitted e a proposal for xxxxxidol.tv and she instinctively new what i was on about.
Robert:
I thought over there they say, “Let’s watch the telly!” 🙂
Yeah David! but the yanks changed everything, cool people say lets watch TV…thanks to you lot!
Don’t get too attached to your .TV domains. Tuvalu is a series of low-lying atolls about to disappear underwater and ICANN might retire the extension as they’ve done in the past with .YU, .GB, .ZR and .DD
Opening up the gTLDs will just dilute the crap and .COM will continue to float on the surface. Who has ever visited a .TRAVEL, .MUSEUM, .PRO, .AERO? They exist already, but no-one cares. No-one cares about the KIDS.US “extension” either. Why would eBay want .EBAY when they can do whatever they want with ebay.com now – there’s no benefit to them.
Chris, I absolutely agree with you on who cares about those quirky extensions. However .Com really does have for the very first time “competition” and it’s .TV.
As for the risk, its very minimal or hardly any risk whatsoever. The guy’s behind .TV is not some clumsy company or uns-sustainable start-up…it’s Verisign!! you really can’t get it any better than that.
One last thing, there is one guy in this industry who is sneakily quite and i guess its because he knows he will make boat loads of money on his bet. His name is Richard Rosenblatt, founder of myspace and enom.
Well, enom and verisign want $500,000 a year for premium names like business.tv and i tell you why? it’s because they anticipate the future, just like google did when they bought youtube for a billion bucks on no revenue…it’s about the future and if you miss the boat, well tough luck!
“The best time for .TV is right now – not in the future.”
David, isn’t it better to say that best time for any extension is right now – not the future?
There are so many undeveloped extensions to include .com and personally the best time is when the domain holder, whether it be an investor or company, develops there respective domain. By developing you build brand and traffic. One can certainly say that certain .com domains inherit type in traffic but that is not an end all win all situation since .com was not always .COM.
If you believe that the term “tv” is passe then you should also believe that the way we search can soon become passe as well. Before the internet browser people searched via phonebook or 411 primarily. Take notice that google now has google 411 which is a free voice search mechanism where you ask an intelligent piece of software for information. Search will evolve, then what?
Icann introducing .whatever is just another scheme to make more money and nothing more. Those developing their respective domains into a business have nothing to fear from this except if they have a bad business model, imo.
IMO, there is no KING, there is just a successful business which takes hard work and good marketing. David you are living proof of hard work and success. However, there are many generic .com/and other extension owners that are not. For the longest time Loans.com was a 404 page, today it finally forwards. When a domain become a business, that is power, the extension is just a boost, imo.
Just my humble opinion.
One more thing, see: http://www.google.com/trends?q=tv%2Ctelephone%2Ccd%2Cvideo%2Calbum&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all&sort=0
According to google trends, usage of the acronym “cd” is actually on the decline between 2004-2008 and “tv” is on the rise.
Sanchay:
Thank you for the kind words.
I believe that our names like Nashville.com, Whisky.com and Traveler.com will be worth so much in the next 10-15 years that it would sound ridiculous to predict it now. I have always compared great domain names to prime real estate. In the 1980’s, I could have bought the small one bedroom apartment I rented in Greenwich Village for $85,000. If you were to tell me then that it would eventually be worth $2 million I would have thought you were out of your mind.
Today it is.
Wow
Lively debate here
With all the responses I might have to send everyone a bill for bandwidth.
Seriously the thing I’m not getting here about the .tv is its not a new extension.
It wasn’t just released this year.
As far as I know its several years old.
In its years of existence .TV hasn’t even become competition for .net or .org.
If its the next big thing its had a few years to make a run at it, which it hasn’t.
If .TV has not passed .net or .org with only .info and .biz as the only other universal domains, how is it going to gain significant market share when there are another 300+ new extensions?
Admittedly I was being tongue-in-cheek about Tuvalu sinking into the sea (although it is happening), but the fact that Verisign runs the registry is irrelevant if ICANN were to retire the extension.
eNom are asking $500,000 for business.tv because it costs them nothing to hold on to it. Why not ask a ridiculously high price for it if it cost nothing to begin with?
TV is becoming passe. TV is the thing you watch in your living room. People don’t associate the term “TV” with the video they watch on their PCs. I see the archaic term “tube” used more online than “TV”, so once Internet-based, on-demand video reaches your livingroom, there’s a good chance we won’t be calling it “TV”.
guess this is the perfect name then:
boobtube.tv
Admin,
What are you metrics for success? Is it the number of domains in a given extension that are developed? Is it traffic? Is it the number of domains registered? Traffic?
There are examples of failure and success in every extension.
Check the numbers between Tulsa.tv and Tulsa.com and you will see that anything is possible but it goes back to hard work coupled with a solid plan.
wow.
Let me catch my breath first and get ready for war.
The bottom line is…the following statement is ridiculous.
1) If I were really sinister and greedy, I’d encourage you and everyone else to buy up .TV and the other lesser extensions. Less competition for me.
THIS IS COMICAL. I’m sorry, but the “.com tunnel vision” is not only naive but foolish and uneducated. The DOT COM brand is synonomous with the Internet, what does that mean for .TV as the PC and TV merge into one device? If you do your homework, as you clearly have not, (unless you have, and are trying to sell bags of smoke, in order to protect your DOT COM assets), the reality is CLEAR. CRYSTAL CLEAR. MILLION AND BILLION DOLLAR CORPORATIONS CLEAR. This is not 2000. This is not 2001, or 2002, or 2005. It is 2008, and technology advancements alongside the rapid growth of a) broadband, b) video SEARCH/CONTENT/MARKETING, and most importantly c) acceptance and DEVELOPMENT by BILLION DOLLAR companies. This has NOT happened with; .net, .info, .us, .biz, .ws, .name. PERIOD. DOT COM, happy birthday, merry christmas and congratulations–YOU should be a GLOBAL powerhouse because you had no competition for a decade. Of course many businesses have spent countless millions on branding and marketing their .com brand, BECAUSE it MADE sense. Happy NEW YEAR everyone, times are changing and those who fail to ACCEPT another VIABLE and more importantly GLOBAL option/alternative are missing out in a VERY big way. 9/10 individuals who speak negatively about .TV, either a) trying to protect dot com, OR b) trying to protect dot com, there is NO c) option. IT is VERY clear and there is no longer a valid, educated and respectable argument. 2001? Yes. We are in 2008 and it is clear that ALL MAJOR COMPANIES, SEE, FEEL, UNDERSTAND, COMPREHEND and ACCEPT the fact THEY NEED–(NEED), multi-media, VIDEO CONTENT, interactivity, and maybe even live-broadcast/webcasting options and THEY MIGHT HAVE MISSED the .com TRAIN, but you can BET your SWEET a$$ they aren’t going to let this one go by. But what do I know? Well, I know Nebraska.TV gets 4 x’s the traffic of Nebraska.com, I also know that ABC has dove into a few other markets; Macon.TV, Spokane.TV. Another another note, NBC, felt the need to acquire LX.TV for more than $10 million dollars. Next.TV/Dave.TV has a deal with Mircosoft, which includes having Next.TV PRE-INSTALLED on their new machines…(no big deal though, because the DOT COM hardliners are smarter-sorry I forgot). What about uStream.TV ? Why didn’t they use a .com? What about TurnHere.TV or TurnHereTravel.TV? RealMeals.TV?…Boston.TV? TNT.TV, Take.TV, PartyPoker.TV, Overlay.TV ($4.6 million), Fora.TV ($4 million from HEARST) or BrightCove.TV, Howard.TV, OwnTV.TV? LAS.TV? why did they do it? Hmmm……What about Landmark Communications? Baltimore.TV, Richmond.TV, and a dozen others–including HamptonRoads.TV which is and I quote, “ONLY the beginning of our .TV interests” How about I just end the madness with YouAreAnIdiotIfYouDontGet.TV?…maybe I should reg it, and showcase different reasons on why .TV not only makes incredible sense, but will continue to rapidly increase in popularity, registrations AND *DEVELOPMENT e.v.e.r.y. single quarter from here on out until you fools are sitting on your couch watching Internet TV with (.TV)…
WHO HERE WANTS TO PUT A LARGE wager on this bet? Send me an email, I’m ready to throw some cash around–and make a name for myself.
AND PS: You WILL see your first MILLION DOLLAR .TV domain sale within the next 12 months…don’t believe me? Email me, let’s bet on it…name your price.
Lets make a another bet. WHO wants to bet me? Jacksonville.TV, wow. What a name. NBC, ABC, CBS, FOX…who will step up to the plate? I’m not sure, but I can forward the interested parties the EMAILS and phone records from their direct INTEREST in the domain.
Being naive and arrogant, is a deadly combination, I suggest you do some researching. When your done, send the FACTS my way so I can compare notes to see how you’ve done; I have the master copies.
Ps: I’d encourage YOU to stay away from .TV, less competition FOR ME. Your holy horse is getting sick and your Direct Nav is evaporating, welcome to the re-invention of the Internet. The playing field is now equal.
NY
Sanchay, the Google trends graph is a little misleading. This graph is for the US only and gives a better idea of what’s happening:
http://www.google.com/trends?q=tv%2Ctube&ctab=0&geo=US&geor=all&date=all&sort=0
Chris, you should let MySpaceTV.com know that.
Sanchay, you should check the graph above.
Chris, but .com is global right, and not a cctld so why would you use US stats only?
Sanchay:
Not fair comparing Tulsa.com to Tulsa.tv 🙂
Tulsa.com is parked while Tulsa .tv is developed.
That is the equivalent of having a battleship in dry dock while someone zips around the harbor on a jet ski yelling, “See, I knew I could go faster than you!”
Sanchay, because of a little thing called Gross Domestic Product, but feel free to try the same graph globally and my point is valid. “TV” has been *flat* for at least four years and “tube” has OVERTAKEN it.
http://www.google.com/trends?q=tv%2Ctube
David, my point is DEVELOPMENT.
NY (and I was born in The Bronx):
You have a $500 bet.
I bet your $500 there will not be a $1,000,000 .TV sale by June 23, 2009.
If there is one, I applaud you and I will gladly pay.
Agreed?
David, Tulsa.com looks developed to me.
i’m really laughing now guys, boobtube.tv? actually admin, thats a pretty cool domain. Let me tell you I bought EscortTube.tv the other day and watch out for it in the near future!
Chris! you are so so wrong and obstinate it’s not even funny! Again let me assert something that I think is missing here. When you have big players following a trend, it’s worth taking note. Google bought youtube for over a billion dollars because they anticipate the future of video. Verisign control the .TV extension and ask premium annual rates, not because they are crazy, but because they anticipate again, the future! they realize major Television networks and businesses are very likely to be their future clients in a “BROADBAND” environment where video download of anything becomes seamless.
If people here really believe these firms and investors with track records like Chris Hannet who owns over 17,000 .tv domains are all deluded, then I’m sorry you guys really really don’t get it and are way too emotional.
One last thing, Admin said .TV has not made an impact in several years of it’s existence. Yes you are only partly right. Dot TV flunked during a web 1.0 phase and went into re-org until Richard Rosenblatt and Verisign came along to revive this great extension in web 2.0 which is now driven by video, social networking, mobile internet and broadband.
There is a massive difference! I bet even a hundred years from now, some people here will still be worshipping .com. personally it matters little to me, I own supremecourt.com for instance and a few other premiums and over 500 .coms.
The point is R&D of what is more likely to evolveand that is what the most sophisticated investors like Harnett do. We can learn from them and REAP!
David,
…Inside information sent Martha to jail, but just won me $500.
X___NY____
Sanchay:
Yes, I knew you meant development 🙂
A developed site can beat the pants off any parked site. My point was that Mr Daniels (owner of Tulsa.com) is wasting a great name by leaving it parked and he would have a monster branding advantage over any other Tulsa site if he launched it. Interestingly, Tulsa.com is one of the few undeveloped large US city.com’s left.
NY:
In that case, congratulations.
But please make sure the buyer is not the same party who “purchased” Pizza.com and Israel.com.
While we’re on the subject, I notice the Google trends graphs from NY’s website, showing .TV vs .BIZ vs .MOBI etc. so I thought this would be meaningful:
http://www.google.com/trends?q=.com%2C.tv
Sanchay:
Tulsa.com is as parked as a site can be.
Chris in regards to Gross National Product, well the EU is higher than the US and of course the world versus the US, the world wins.
Chris
I think the “red” .tv line you wouldn’t want to see if you were laying in the hospital bed hooked up to the heart monitor
Sanchay, I’m in Australia, but either way, it’s more meaningful than showing Guatemala like your graph did. Arguing that point with me is pointless to the discussion.
Either way, TV is a term that is rapidly becoming outdated.
LOL @ admin 🙂 Beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep…
David, you are going to be proved wrong this time around or i’ll eat my hat! I reckon there will be a major .TV sale anytime soon, its gonna happen! Are you strongly suggestng News.TV is not way worth over 1 million dollars? even I would not sell EuropeanNews.TV for less than 1 million.
If you want the right value for your assets, don’t cross sell to other domainers uless you want chump change. Think like a commercial real estate agents and go after the right clients business clients who can afford what your assets are really worth.
haha…Chris!
Thanks for checking out the site. haha…and nice chart, and thanks for the update, I somehow missed that one. But my argument has NOTHING to do with the past, but more importantly the future. I never ONCE said it will overthrow .com, NEVER once, I did however say another VERY viable alternative has arrived–and NO domainer has the ability to stop the movement.
But I understand the hazy vision, considering the “industry leaders” fail to report/discuss what is *really going on–(millions in premium DOT TV domains sold/resold)…somehow those stories failed to surface, go figure.
But truth be told, he who hesitates is lost…
NY
Hey guys here’s a thought what if one of the new extensions that ICANN approves is .television.
Nothing to say that some company would propose it and under the “new” standards pony up $250K and away you go
Then what is .tv worth??
Robert:
Don’t get me wrong, I would love to see a dotTV sell for a million dollars. Buying ANY domain name for that much money in this market is a shot in the arm for the entire industry.
Mike,
Not just .television but how bout the major US and global networks going after their own TLDs like .abc, .nbc, .cbs, .fox, .cnn, .tnt, etc.
…. .television is your rebuttal? I pray for nothing more than these idiots to approve .television.
CHRIS! I get it…now I know why you hate DOT TV… Steve beat you to the punch. (reference; he who hesitates is lost; insert here)
Queensland.TV
Sydney.TV
Wellington.TV
Melbourne.TV
Brisbane.TV
GoldCoast.TV
“Not just .television but how bout the major US and global networks going after their own TLDs like .abc, .nbc, .cbs, .fox, .cnn, .tnt, etc.”
Well then Tony! if that happens, there goes all your valuable .com LLL domains!
Admin, .television should it ever happen will only give more impetus .TV makes sense and i’m sure you concede!
NY, in the time it will take .TV to gain momentum we won’t be calling the box in the living-room a “TV”. Add to that the fact that advertising money is rapidly draining out of television and heading for the Internet will undermine the term even more. In the next 12 months, Internet advertising will overtake TV advertising on a dollar-for-dollar basis.
People sitting in front of their PCs watching videos don’t think of themselves as “watching TV”. It’s an anachronistic term.
It would not be a stretch at all for the networks to apply for their own extensions.
Voting for reality shows, fantasy football, interactive television why wouldn’t the networks want .fox, .cbs, .mtv??
What is $250K to them. How many millions of people would want a name like mike.fox
NY, honestly I wouldn’t Queensland.TV etc. No end-user will buy them, no-one is typing them it, and I’m sure as heck not going to waste my time developing them into a site that no-one will visit.
“In the time it will take .TV to gain momentum we won’t be calling the box in the living-room a “TV”.”
Recap:
**Verisign spends $50 million/$4mm annually
**Demand Media sells $600k in premiums in 16 hours.
**HUNDREDS of thousands more in premiums registered and I could give you multi examples of $xx,xxx and x,xxx and even a few $xxx,xxx that never hit the “domainer press”.
**Million and BILLION dollar companies “adapt” to the reinvention of “media” content AND delivery, by investing and developing .TV domains.
**…dot com hardliners are still (somehow) denying the FACTS. It’s almost like an alcoholic, you’ve all convinced yourself your way is the “only” way, and that is an incredible mistake…
NY
Exactly, Mike. And why would Fox plunk down $1M for newyork.tv, losangeles.tv, etc when they can get all those localcities.fox for reg fees.
The big networks and media corps are the end users that would have the big money to throw at .TV but why would they if they could have their own extension? Does John Q Public even know .tv exists today? Only a small minority I would estimate.
I will concede .TV is on par with .com when nbc.com is redirected to nbc.tv, etc.
Chris, you are really living on another planet. Go check out Election.tv, that is a big site owned a deep pocketed company. You guy’s are so in denial and feel under threat!
**Verisign spends $50 million/$4mm annually
**Demand Media sells $600k in premiums in 16 hours.
**HUNDREDS of thousands more in premiums registered and I could give you multi examples of $xx,xxx and x,xxx and even a few $xxx,xxx that never hit the “domainer press”.
**Million and BILLION dollar companies “adapt” to the reinvention of “media” content AND delivery, by investing and developing .TV domains.
**…dot com hardliners are still (somehow) denying the FACTS. It’s almost like an alcoholic, you’ve all convinced yourself your way is the “only” way, and that is an incredible mistake…
All that waffle pales in comparison to other extensions. $600k in 16 hours is easy if you have enough deluded late-comers hoping to hit a jackpot that will never come. There are dozens of $600k sales of single .COMs that never hit the “domainer press” too. I’ve made some of them.
*YAWN*
By the way, those premium .TV renewal fees are going to start biting hard soon:
http://www.enom.com/domains/tv_names_browse.asp
Robert, wow! One developed .TV? That’s so awesome.
You should check out eBay.com – that’s a developed .com.
I am a Geo .TV investor/ developer.
Trust me when I say to all the .com Geo owners in particular as well as all domainers who make their living in this business whether it be via PPC or development, regardless of TLD, WE NEED TO STAY UNITED.
Bigger forces are at play that will try to take our names and usurp any advantage our domains currently carry.
Those wasting time on .com vs .tv are playing into the hands of those that do not think we as an Industry are a mature enough to defend our rights because this industry is full of egomaniacs and gunslingers that only care about themselves and their own interests.
At the end of the day, I too have my doubts about ability of many in this business to comprehend the fact that these pissing contests I see all over the place on domain forums about various topics are the equivalent of the Jews back in the late 1930’s in Poland arguing about whose storefront on the corner will get more business in 5 years.
Yes that is an over the top analogy. Certainly the domain industry and its internal dynamics can’t be compared to the holocaust without the danger of some taking it out of context and being offended. I assure all that read this that as an extremely proud American Jew, I take the Holocaust VERY seriously and want to assure all those out there that I am not by any means making light of one of the biggest atrocities in the history of mankind. However, while vastly exaggerated, I see no other analogy that more clearly gets my point across.
It did not matter whose storefront in the 1930’s Poland was better because the Nazis came and THEY WERE ALL WIPED OUT.
We must be allied against the corporate greed and laws that are coming fast. I myself will be the first to admit I have been guilty of getting caught up in these arguments in the past. I am not claiming to be better then anyone here, far from it. I just wish we could all see what is occurring around us.
Ones person’s success does not have to mean another person’s demise. We can all success and in fact I argue to a higher degree if we all work together.
There is enough room for all of us to be successful if we work hard. We are not each other enemies.
To the .com guys that think they are bulletproof and do not need anyone else. Shame on you. History has time and time slapped down such narrow minded souls with a sharp does of reality.
Anybody who says they know how this will pan out in 20 years is just plain full of it.
NOBODY KNOWS FOR SURE. NOBODIES CURRENT BUSINESS MODEL IS SAFE OR BEYOND BEING SEVERELY IMPACTED, PERIOD.
Hi Brian, I just checked out your site. Great portfolio of .tv names, well done and all the best!
Brian, you’re right – no business model is safe. However, they’re not all equal. Some are safer than others.
BTW, something is wrong with your hosting – it’s agonisingly slow.
Chris, …oh buddy, you’re sinking. Do they have quicksand in the outback?
1) No one is visiting .TV? (false)
2) No endusers are interested/acquiring .TV? (false)
hahahahaha…(the TIP of the iceberg)
Vator.TV launches as “THE” industry bible for INVESTORS.
uStream.TV turns down $50 million from MICROSOFT.
LX.TV acquired by NBC for $10 million
Navic.TV acquired by MICROSOFT for $300 million
Surface.TV acquired by MICRSOFT for $27,000
FORA.TV receives $4.0 mm from the Hearst Corp.
BrightRoll.TV receives $5 mm
Overlay.TV receives $4.6 mm
Pandora.TV recieves $6 mm
Blip.TV receives $X mm from Skype founder
VideoClix.TV recieves $1 mm
BlinkX.TV recieves $2 mm
Knocka.TV recieves $5 mm
Kyte.TV receives $5.6 mm
Mesmo.TV receives $1 mm
TripR.TV receives $ 4.8 mm
PartyPoker.TV
Mercedes-Benz.TV
HamptonRoads.TV
MTV.TV
TNT.TV
Cn8.TV
Brian
Nice to see you here.
As for me i am looking at this little discussion tonight as a bunch of guys having a little fun.
If your a frequent reader to my blog, I think you will agree that no one has warned the domainer community of the threats and attacked that are coming at us, trying to unite all domainers to face the fight,and to promote the ICA the only organization dedicated to domainers.
In just the past week I have already exposed unethical behavior of domain drop auctions, the devastating effect that the Yahoo-Google would have on all domainers, directly or indirectly, and the negative changes to Sedo parking system forced by Google.
I think its time to kick back a little and enjoy a little harmless debate.
Brian
Besides I would love to see us break the 100 comment mark.
Update
In the news tonight another quote from Mr. Twomey
“Apart from the .com, .net or .org, the 1.3 billion web users will be able from early 2009 to acquire generic addresses by lodging common words such as .love, .hate or .city or proper names,” ICANN president Paul Twomey said.
Under this new proposal, many more domains like .mac, ..apple, .intel and .dell. could be approved
if people were to start navigating to sites like Mike.ebay or car.nyc, then obviously .com will loose its traffic.
This is doomsday for domainers. Its time we should all go to Arab Saudi or Russia and open up an Oil Rig.
Oil prices will continue to rise!!!
NY, funny how, with the exception of surface.tv, no-one has ever heard of those domain sales, or by “receives” do you mean that someone invested in the site? By the way, if we’re comparing apples with apples, buying a website is not the same as buying an undeveloped domain. If those are websites, I can throw plenty of billion-dollar developed .coms back at you.
Show me undeveloped .TVs that have sold, not developed sites that may have had millions spent on advertising to get them where they are.
I agree with you there admin, lets break 100 tonight! can you believe its almost 5.30am in London where I am. This has been one of the most interesting debates i’ve participated in in a long long time!
Hey NY…ur the best! you certainly know your stats and give some of these parochial thinkers a run for puny .com’s! …er just kidding!
To make any reference to the Holocaust is beyond over the top, and whether you are proud or not was a stupid statement.
And no we are not all on the same team that line is so naive it is not funny. There are many people who own domains who cannot stand one another for many reason.
And to Chris who has this guy been drug tested ? it will still be called TV samsung and sony will still make and sell LCD TV’s and next OLED TV’s but whatever you have to tell yourself. Dilution affects everyone and .com takes the biggest fall. because if prices and that’s what people care about, what they can sell for. If a great .com that should fetch $800,00 can only get $500,000 that is $300,000 the registrant is out now where a .net that would have got $1500 oh now only sells for $800. Percentage wise its bigger but its the amount that is more important.
Chris, you are so obstinate! You obviously don’t follow what’s going on online. If you are not remotely aware of a bulk of those .tv domains that NY clearly extrapolated, then …are you a domainer?
Sounds to me like you just enjoy being provocative!
Robert he is just the typical .commer and NY whoever you are way to show the info.
Hugh, I bet you heard about the “information super-highway” while you were listening to the “wireless”.
In a few years “TV” will be just as outdated as those terms.
Chris, “receives”…FUNDING. Everything has a starting point…A, B, C, 1, 2, 3. I was replying to YOUR comment, how no one is interested in, or visiting .TV sites. But just by your response, it CLEARLY indicates that you have VERY little knowledge of the space; WHICH equates you have NO business passing judgement within a MILE of the FACTS–since you HAVE none. A few posts ago, I mentioned to go do your homework–and I’ll check your list later. But i’ll let you know how my meetings go this with a few BILLION dollar companies. And this week after I flip yet another .TV to enduser, i’ll also CC you on that. If “they” weren’t “interested” don’t you think things would be a “bit” different…? Ps: Didn’t you want a copy of these email inquiries from those BILLION dollar companies interested in my .TV plans? Just curious…
100! Thank you!
Robert, get back to my point – are those domain sales or website sales? They’re two different things. I can spend $10 million advertising fartgas.tv to sell it to Microsoft for $2m. Show me DOMAIN SALES, since this blog is “THE DOMAINS” not “THE WEBSITES”.
101 . lol
NY, I couldn’t care less about website sales, or your imaginary .TV inquiries. Show me actual, money-in-the-bank domain sales.
Hugh,
Regarding dilution, you can flood the market with as many $2,000 cars as you want but the demand for $500,000 Ferrari’s and Lamborghini’s will not be affected. You can sell sex.biz, sex.bz, sexdotwhateverextensions you want but sex.com still sold for $14M last year.
How many years have .net, .org, .info, .biz, etc along with the dozens of ccTLDs been around? And yet, when you look at reported .com sales, they just keep appreciating.
You can flood the market with thousands of TLDs but the average Joe and Jane still only knows .com when they think of the internet. The vanity and niche TLDs will be nice and all but the small business end user and big corporation alike will want the .com for their internet presence. There is no substitute for quality no matter how much fluff there is out there.
Hugh, thank you, sincerely and feel free to email me.
In 13 months…4,000 pages of research, 5 notebooks, 14 ink cartridges, 1 computer, 10-16 hours a day, many lost friends,…and 3,000 domains later…i’ve earned my badge, and I’m not going anywhere.
NY
Time for fun is over guys check out the post I just made.
E-mails are going out, looking like its from icann and they are pointing you to a site where they want you to give them your domain, user id and password.
The site they are promoting is not an obvious phishing domain.
Please read the post
Actually, it was Jan. 2006, and it was 12 mm and stock.
Excellent analogy, Tony.
And, for that matter, irrespective of other deluded buyers in the aftermarket, television is on the wane.
For the record, I spent three years in the TV industry. I co-wrote the first on-demand applications for DVB-T and demonstrated them at CommunicAsia in 1998. If you think I’m out-of-touch, you better take a look in the mirror.
Chris,
I don’t care if you were the best man at Bill Gates wedding.
By CLEARLY not knowing about those major investments, acquisitions and developments within the space, it CLEARLY indicated YOU were the one OUT-OF-TOUCH…
NY, you conveniently avoided my question. Show me actual, money-in-the-bank DOMAIN sales.
Hear is the deal guys if one network applies for there own extension all others will follow and .tv is done.
It may or may not happen, but the ramification of any one network moving in this direction will adversely effect .tv
Its risk and reward. I see a lot of risk with .tv not too much reward
Golf.TV–$600,000
Vegas.TV–$350,000
China.TV–$100,000
Net.TV–$100,000
Free.TV–$100,000
Property.TV–$100,000
Travel.TV–$65,000
Hot.TV–$35,000
Mail.TV–$35,000
Fussball.TV–$28,367
Surface.TV–$27,000
Six.TV–$25,000
AuctionNetwork.TV–$25,000
TelMex.TV–$25,000
…Isn’t it funny how you didn’t ask about the thousands of people that were WILLING and ABLE to purchase DOT TV premiums with ANNUAL renewal fees? IT IS MERELY a cost of doing business–and WELL worth the “investment” for particular premium domains. So, no my friend, YOU WERE THE ONE avoiding the reality…
Again you’re wrong Tony!
Like NY pointed out earlier, .com gave the web a very good head start a bit like my lovely country England used to rule the world! Hey, we even controlled North America at one point and almost 2/3rds of mother earth. And then one day came the big U.S of A and said …ur time is up your majesty, you shall now relinquish your empire and crawl back into your little hole!
Well, that is what is going to happen to .com in very colloquial terms! fact is Visuals, Video and Television is more imbedded in human minds, even microsoft will role out IPTV, note the TV! a merge between internet and television.
So Tony, you may think .com will always be the best because sex.com sold for $14 million, I’d place my bet with you today that Sex.tv would make far more revenue as a developed site…and that’s the point!
…again, terrible rebuttal Admin (no offense obviously).
DOT TV is not exclusive to major networks–what about entertainment, interactivity, VIDEO, LIVE streaming…webcasting, etc…
And…I couldn’t disagree more. DOT TV is the BEST bang for your BUCK in this current market on the planet EARTH. Again, Chris, believe what you may, but lack of education and comprehension for the space doesn’t apply to factual evidence. MAJOR NETWORKS, period.
Well to quote tony why would nbc want .nbc when they have the quality, And no David it is not a good analogy because a Ferrari is a superior actual real piece of machinery. Letters in a browser are all the same. And no the whole world doesn’t want .com a lot of the world hates .com domainers and has pushed for these type of domains so they do not have to pay .com prices. NICE TRY NEXT
The Golf.tv was never confirmed. Most of the others were regged in the so-called “landrush” last year, and I’m willing to bet a few people are regretting their “investment”. $1 million in total sales is pretty lame – I’ve sold a single .COM for more than that.
I’m not talking just about the major networks but about every cable station you watch.
Once all networks and cable stations join in, that pretty much is television.
Your telling me fox wouldn’t spend the $250K just to have an address idol.fox, and nfl.fox
NY
BTW my name is Michael.
The NFL might have a problem with FOX using NFL.fox
I humbly sold JazzOn.tv for a tidy sum of $4,500…I’m chuffed!
Hugh, letters in a browser may be the same, but your grammar is appalling.
and I thought the .mobi guys were outspoken
And the whole UDRP, tm protection could get screwed, because if I start .sports can I use the NFL trademark NFL.sports. Looks like a bad faith registration to confuse the user who wanted the website of the National Football League.
LOL@Mike
Typing fast sorry on 18 sites, it might be but not as appalling as your intellect.
Hugh
Not when fox pays billions for the rights to carry the games.
Fox uses NFL all time in the broadcasting and site
Think they call it the NFL on Fox
True but you do not think the NFL would not want the confusion of NFL.fox. I know you get rights when you license but seems like it is diluting the UDRP on bad faith and confusion.
Well, congratulations your card is in the mail. Sent yesterday.
I sent it from one of the 9 countries I have visited, where it would not be a rarity to hear, “dot what”…because of their ccTLD is ALL they care about. DOT COM means about as much as a bag of hammers. However, if you visited eastern Cambodia and drew “TV” in sheep blood on the chalk board in front of a group of kids with a school hut made of mud and sticks they would still know to point to a “TV”…
The next generation of content delivery is here Chris, and even though you can not accept FACTS, the FACTS are that as I mentioned earlier, .TV will continue to grow, quarter after quarter, and with time, education and development, will be a “must see/must have” tld…and thus, I congratulate those with the open-minded ambitions to see the light.
I’ll foward you Dr. Hartnetts email, I’m sure he’d love to pay you for your consultations.
Just got my second notice from these guys.
I would hate to see any of our fellow domainers get tricked into giving info and losing their domains.
I worry more about the average Joe who doesn’t know any better and doesn’t read the blog.
Admin:
I agree, nothing wrong with lively debate, I just see too many people missing the point of where all this is going.
I have been reading your blog daily for the past few months. IMO bar none you have to the top blog in the business. Keep up the great work!
To your last post: Why would a network having their own TLD adversely affect .TV?
The general public is not going to reg Travel.FOX or Hollywood.NBC
That is a corporate identity.
.TV is already being used and branded across all networks and users worldwide as we speak.
It is the opposite, the more fragmented these network guys get the better for the generic category killer for online video which is .TV.
Owning the .tv is the only way to get the universal TLD that now means Television.
Same with anyone trying to use .Television or .Video or .Tube
Same argument. No company in their right mind would brand and use a .Television without owning the .TV, I would love for .Television to come on the scene.
No other TLD can beat “TV” and what it stands for. The minute people acknowledge any alternative is needed for online video besides .com (.video .tube .channel) which is happening then .TV wins. It defies logic and what is already being proven to think otherwise.
Not sure why people seem to think the letters “TV” are going anywhere. They came several decades before .com and may be there several decades after.
Once again, .TV and .com will both be successful unless we as a collective group drop the ball.
The best content and development in each market will carry the day long term.
Those that think PPC will last forever are mistaken.
Michael are you standing by your initial post that the Geo .com domains have the most to worry about or have the GEO spin doctors changed your mind. Honest question, I have nothing against Geo.com in any way.
NY, I don’t disagree that online media will grow. The point you are missing is that online media is not now called “TV” nor will it be. You’re buying into a term that will not be used online at a time when offline TV is in decline. You may as well have bought .MORSECODE
.VIEWMASTER
http://www.edcenter.sdsu.edu/cs575viz/viewmaster.gif
And I’ll refer you one last time to “the graph”:
http://www.google.com/trends?q=tv%2Ctube
Brian
Just to be clear:
I don’t think the term TV is going away.
That was expressed by others.
I don’t think PPC will be around forever.
Never did.
Matter of fact, I already expressed the thought that if the Yahoo-Google deal goes through (which has a very good chance) I think PPC is going to end shortly thereafter for all practical purposes.
.TV is not bad. Never said it was.
All I said is I don’t think having 300 more extensions is going to help any extension.
However .com’s and .org’s will be the least effected.
Really, so that guy today looking to sell me a 50 inch rectangle picture viewing machine, he called it a TV.
OH SPIKE TV
Frank TV
Cable Tv
Pay Tv
IPTV
MTV oh M tube or M video
This is so funny now it borders on insanity, or mandatory drug testing.
NY you already knocked him out in this verbal spar now its not even sporting its just absolutely pathetic
Your last post should be a misdemeanor, at least. I am leaving now.
I had a BLAST TODAY, thanks everyone! I *SINCERELY, and very *HONESTLY no one took personal offense to our social gathering tonight.
I do wish everyone the best and hope to meet some of you in the future.
😉
NY
…For the road.
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Hugh
My understanding of Geo domains is they are not limited to just the name of cities, towns, states and countries.
How about newyorkdoctors.com
It’s a geo name right?
Now if there is a .nyc and a .doctor extension, does that make newyorkdoctors more or less valuable?
Someone could register doctor.nyc or newyork.doctor
The value of Domains lies in great part to their uniqueness. The more variations the less uniqueness.
If there was a .lawyer extension I think all lawyer related .com lose value and I own a ton of those.
NY
See you next time
thanks for your thoughts
Thank you Michael
I’m out for tonight
Thank to Steve Morales who started this mess out yesterday with the first comment.
What out for those fake ICANN e-mail.
Back tomorrow
David
The best time for .TV is right now – not in the future.
Why? Because it is quickly becoming an archaic term with the 30 and under demographic. They don’t say telephone, they say cell phone. They don’t say record album, they say CD. And they don’t say television
If want to talk outdated (you cold be an .com owner) we do not call these thinks any more CD’s they are dvd’s and now disk’s (blue Ray mainly) your kids must be older then me.
The world is taking over the internet and it might not be the .com but more the RU, UK, NL,FR, ES, PL, CN, IT, IN and most likely a host of other domain names important to the rest of the world.
The domains are no longer governed by an exclusive US club and changes will happen very fast.
I believe in a business mdel, a name is just an domain till you make it a store and create business weather it be .TV business, .Com Business are Ca it the BUSINESS
I may be living in Dreamworld.TV however it beets the bubble.com
Hugh, you only think you’re right. Answer these questions honestly:
1) Do you think some sort of media center or PC will replace the receiver in your living room? I hope the answer is yes – it’s fairly obvious that on-demand IP-based video is the way we’re heading.
2) if you have kids, they probably download videos. Do they sit at the computer and say “I’m watching TV!”? My guess is they don’t.
3) Do you agree that the phrase “tube” has rapidly overtaken “TV” online?
Put it all together.
Soon the guy at the store won’t sell you a “TV”, he’ll sell you a screen for your PC. They’re already called “Flat Screen TVs” – how long until they drop the “TV” and call it a “flat screen”? Oh, wait, they already do.
By the way, .TV has been around since 96, and I can certainly remember people trying to hock them on the old Afternic in the late 90’s. 10+ years and one half-hearted relaunch, but they still suck.
Ben:
Sorry, the appetizers are gone and the bar is no longer serving drinks.
Wow a legend Ben Van Dyk, I have followed you and Farm.tv for a long time, Hello Ben. Best of luck.
The only tube people refer to is You Tube, obviously where all the juice for the word tube comes from.
Here they call them flat screen TV’s and speaking to a vp for SONY USA, who I asked when will they stop being called TV’s ? He replied Wtf are you talking about?
Well I vote for flatscreenTelevisions.com
since I own that one.
and I got us to 150
The value of Domains lies in great part to their uniqueness. The more variations the less uniqueness.
Exactly right Michael and .com has a lot of competition coming its way. Even if it is the Ferrari ( YOU GOT TO LAUGH ITS HYSTERICAL) of the internet. At the end of the day its about creating businesses 10 years from now people will ask, WTF is a domainer? DEVELOPMENT IS THE KEY IMO
Hugh, maybe the VP for Sony is an out-of-touch old guy too. You didn’t answer my questions by the way, which seems to be a common problem with pro-TV people.
The “tube” graph is simply to point out to you that your beloved term “TV” is outdated, certainly online, and probably offline soon. In the last two years, Youtube has un-done what television took 60 years to accomplish. In the time it takes .TV to gain any ground (it’s been over 10 years already and you’ve seen the .COM vs .TV graph), it will be a term that no-one uses online.
Suck it up.
Hugh
Now you just need to figure out how to develop 5K names in a month and you would on to a big money maker.
The term tv is used everyday and the only tube term is for you tube. TV will be here long after you are gone. So you suck it up or whatever else you suck.
FlatScreenTelevisions.com is Nice Michael you own it a long time ? Any offers on the domain ?
Hugh, hahah 🙂 Sure the term “tube” is only used on YouTube, but that’s one solitary site that has produced more searches for the term “tube” (not even the full term “youtube” which gets more) than searches for “TV” in only two years. People in the future will watch video online, not on a regular “dumb” television, and you can bet the kids won’t call it a television.
You still didn’t answer my questions, by the way.
Bought it at domainfest in january for 7K
Actually, didn’t I sell FlatScreenTelevisions.com to you Michael? I had LargeScreenTVs.com as well at some point, and Television.org and Televisions.org.
Chris
I bought it through the auction, if you owned it then I bought it from you.
Do I get a rebate??
Do you know how many searches there are for tv and something else ? and what question was that ?
And let me ask you a question, Do you think I give a flying fuck what your opinion is ? I was discussing the Geo and .geo extensions when you and Robert and Ny turned this into .tv discussion.
And I am 23 and always call it a tv or turn on the tv and so does everyone I know. Never heard one idiot say turn on the tube. There are millions worldwide that are years away from hooking up a pc and flatscreen and watching it. The Techno elite sure. The plumber in Chicago ? no the President in Kenya ? NO Again TV will be around long after you are gone.
7k nice Michael
Actually, Hugh, David Castello mentioned TV being archaic and you said “Hysterical thanks for the laugh”. Posts 32 and 33. I guess you have cognitive dissonance.
Right, I joined in after it started and I think it was hysterical. From a money standpoint, sales taking a potential hit IMO .com has the biggest worry all the other extensions like .tv no one paid big money in the aftermarket if you sell a hand reg for $3000 instead of $10,000 it is still a nice roi, if you paid $500,000 for a .com maybe you need to worry a little.
And again my first posts one can see were about the geo vs geotld Robert came in and then David made a post that me and three others here laughed out loud so I discussed .tv.
I’m not worried about names I’ve paid six-figures for because in three years they’ll be worth twice what I paid.
Perhaps you don’t realize that we’ve heard all this before. First it was .WS, then .TV (the first time around), then .BIZ and .INFO were going to wipe out .COM, then it was .TV again and dozens of others like .TRAVEL, .PRO, .AERO, .COOP, .NAME, .JOBS (yes, it exists!). Now it’s .WHATEVERTHEHELLYOUWANT.
I’ll still be here making six and seven figure sales in a few year’s time, and you’ll still be paying your end-user-priced .TV renewals.
Michael thanks for the laughs and good luck with the blog and flatscreentelevisions.com
To the idiot, I don’t have any premium renewal .tv secondly I do not believe .tv replacing .com. Thirdly in three years you maybe down 10 to 15 %
And trust me I make high 6 figures in the real world this is all just fun and games probably why I am discussing it at 3 am. Real Business is 9 to 4 pm but keep on keeping on.
Good heads up on the ICANN thing Michael.
Hugh, sorry to hear you still need a real job 🙂
This comment section is giving Perez Hilton a run for his money. Much success to the .tv developers. Seems like a perfectly fine space to develop in, but investing a lot in adjoining .coms would only help, which is why they should stay so valuable. The .com natural traffic is very much undervalued. Tulsa.TV is fine, but I would be actively pursuing and willing to pay a lot for TulsaClubs.com, TulsaRestaurants.com, TulsaRealEstate.com etc. Undeveloped .tv, ehh I don’t get it, very much overvalued in my opinion.
So, what does everybody think of .ME?
It is funny that the conversation has completely steered of course, with major emphasis on dot TV instead of the consequences of having the so many extensions, that we would have to stop counting after a few hundred.
There are a lot of people out there that think that .INFO is the next best thing after dot com but that is just my 2 cents.
Will, the topic hasn’t really steered off course if you consider that .TV is an example of an existing extension that is a word or term, so it can be used as an example of what we can expect with new extensions. No existing extension has made any significant impact on .COM, even though some, in the case of .TV, have had over 10 years in the marketplace and others, like .INFO, have a large registration base. Two extensions which would be obvious choices for new extensions are .TRAVEL and .JOBS. However, both of those have existed for nearly three years, but virtually no-one has even heard of them.
I am a big beliver in the .tv ext and have made some very succesful sales in the ext anywhere from low xxx sales to a couple of high xx,xxx
but i find many who have invested in the ext to be totoally naive with their expeectaions – particularly those who have invested heavily in the geo.tv space that carry with it high renewals…
there is nothing magical about owning the key generic of a geo.tv – unless the site gets developed….so I find that constant finger pointing at successful geo.tv sites such as Tampa.TV, Hampton Roads.TV – blah blah is a vain attempt to suggest that any keyword geo will be a similar succes….
It wont – the reason why is that those successful sites have one thing in common – they are developed sites – which means alot of blood sweat and tears went into getting sponsors, selling web space, building up local community contacts etc…..without that hard work and investment of moiney and time – they would be parked pages – much like the empire of names with huge renewal fees owned by MCB and ASBN -until at least a single site gets developed – it is sitting there gatheriung dust and renewal fees….
I personally own two geos – SanJose.TV and Thailand.Tv with a total renewal fee of $1500 – I can afford to renew ad infinitum – until I find a business partner to develop the site with me…..but I am under no illusion – owning a great geo in the .tv ext means jack shite on its own……..
one can try and make deals with the big network boys – but what you have to offer is so small – they will sooner buy the name off you then do a deal – and I see no deal over the last 24 months and I see no sale either….
Let no one be in any doubt whatsoever – owning a top end geo.tv name does not buy you anything other than high renewal fees (with the exception of the rare reg fee geo of course) it certainly does not buy you a free lunch
…hahahahahahahahahaha,
POST NUMBER 172 gets the gold medal for “most uneducated” of the day.
Thanks for playing!
Ps: I love this one, “Geo.TV means Jack *hit on its own…hahah, NO my friend, YOU owning a Geo .TV means Jack *hit on its own, good luck with the development with GP….haha,
Macon.TV
Nebraska.TV
Spokane.TV
Boston.TV
Montreal.TV
Tulsa.TV
RawVegas.TV
AtlanticCity.TV
OceanCity.TV
WesternAustralia.TV
Broadway.TV
Oztralia.TV
HamptonRoads.TV
InRich.TV
Hollywood.TV (blasted on E! every single evening)
…should I keep going? I have more…Vegas.TV $350k…?LasVegas.TV asking $1,000,000…But I suppose you suggest all these organizations have failed to comprehend “your” expert views on the space. hahaha…please just sell me your Geo domains so I don’t have to listen to this nonsense anymore.
Along while ago, a little bird told me, “FOLLOW THE MONEY”…but it probably is more humorous that you came on here and bashed and discredited your own investments, haha, great move!
Educate yourself, …please.
Back to the topic at hand which is not .TV but the effect of hundreds of new extension on all existing extensions.
This is going to happen folks.
Vote is on thursday.
The only question is timeframe, cost and then we wait and see how many companies step up and apply.
The effect will not be know until 2010.
You know what’s really great about .tv, .mobi, and .tel ?
Me either. 😉
Rob
I think there are around 500 good .me domains that would be useful.
However the registry is holding most of these back and will be auctioned off. So for $50 a year they are worth it but if you have to pay thousands and thousands for each of these 500, I think not.
If 300 new extensions are added, I am predicting that 300 extensions will fail; bring them on. There have already been extensions that were added that didn’t do well.
I agree with many of you that these new extensions will only enhance the value of .com’s, but I think a lot of you also miss the mark in another area: .info’s.
The only reason .com’s are the most popular extension has to do with the fact that they were the first extension out. This extension does not have meaning in any language other than English.
Furthermore, many people in other countries equate the .com extension with companies in America, this is why country codes have successfully taken off. People are like lemmings, they follow each other and have no common sense when doing so.
Websites under the .com extension vary in quality from poor to superior, and are spread out among many owners from individuals to billion dollar corporations.
They have appreaciated so much in value, that the likely-hood that they will be consolidated into one portfolio to keep the quality experience consistent is virtually impossible.
The .info suffix is ideal because when people go online, they are looking for information. It is the only suffix that has meaning in over 32 languages around the world. The generic terms under this extension are in the hands of very few.
This last fact will enable those who own these generic terms to control quality and to create a superior experience across the board.
The .info suffix is ideal for creating directories online. Directories are needed for every subject matter from A thruough Z because there is so much information out there, the consumer needs something to help them cut to the chase.
I am predicting that over time, the .info suffix will gain increasing importance as a place to find directory information.
Allen
.info have disappointed.
If they have say only gone from point A-C in the few years how are they going to A-F with hundreds of new extensions?
To be clear I don’t expect .com to be effected that much, but I do think they will be effected somewhat.
Remember before there was cable (maybe your not old enough) there was CBS. NBC, ABC (no fox yet) a local station or 2.
Then 300 cable stations came along.
So what happened?
The main networks are still the most watched.
However they do not have the same percentage of the population viewing since there are more choices.
So there you have it.
All extensions will be effected.
We think .com’s and .org’s the least
I recently read your comments about the apolitical and globally open virtues of investing in a .tv domain.
I totally agree, and have a portfolio, of just under 100 .tv domains, 60 of which are geodomains. The cities where we live. And our 60 geodomains are first rate – the top ten largest cities by population in India, Bangkok (over 10 milion), Jakarta, Singapore, Rome etc.
Highlights of this list include:
adelaide.tv ahmadabad.tv bali.tv bangalore.tv bangkok.tv bangladesh.tv brisbane.tv burmese.tv byronbay.tv chennai.tv changmai.tv chiangrai.tv delhi.tv goldcoast.tv hanoi.tv hobart.tv hochiminhcity.tv indonesia.tv indore.tv ipoh.tv iakarta.tv johorbahru.tv kanpur.tv kotabahru.tv kualalumpur.tv kuantan.tv laos.tv lucknow.tv lumbini.tv mecca.tv medan.tv melbourne.tv mumbai.tv nagpur.tv palembang.tv palmcove.tv newguinea.tv patna.tv pattaya.tv perth.tv phnompenh.tv phuket.tv portmoresby.tv rome.tv semarang.tv siemreap.tv sihanoukville.tv singapore.tv srilanka.tv sydney.tv taipeh.tv theholysee.tv themaldives.tv pacificislands.tv thephillipines.tv templemount.tv ujunpandang.tv vientiane.tv vrindavan.tv wellington.tv
Internet Geodomains are the new real estate, are, and will remain as long as we use technology to communicate televisually, the most logical and preferred arena for marketing and communications.
It is like watching and being able to see the city where you live – not via a print only phone book or newspaper with scattered classified ads – but in an instantly accessible, televisual colorful manner.
I am the registrant of sixty (60) of the world’s most valuable geodomains.tv Pan Asia wide and Globally.
Our portal design, we are now rolling out, is an easy to navigate template (see: http://www.brisbane.tv) and our geodomains look after a population of two billon citizens.
Each of our city portals offer almost 7000 of the world’s best links, combined in a unique, colour coded, touch-screen ready graphical user interface.
Steve Ballmer has said the future is Display Ads on the net. We agree. And we believe the most intuitive and most natural way to this end is via – geodomains – the cities where we live.
We firmly believe a registrant is a custodian, and must uphold common decency when it comes to a geographic internet geodomain.
The success of other early leaders and first mover entrepreneurs in the .com geodomain sphere – such as Boulevards.com and Associated Cities, shows geodomains will become increasingly important. Always – .com is great in the USA – and .TV is great everywhere, as it is apolitical and a universally recognized acronym for Tele Visual, all one needs is the technology to see things displayed – such as an Apple iphone, a laptop, a desktop or a flat screen tv.
My advice to any budding geodomain investor and display advertiser is – act like an executive in a major bricks and mortar real estate and development business acts – liase with the major goods and services providers (shopping mall owners) universities, public elected officials and those responsible for looking after organizations like existing governmental city internet sites. If you act professionally – you will receive respect and professionalism back in kind.
Act professionally. And at all times – don’t forget charitable awareness. Our site has fee free display advertising for many local charities and global entities such as Unicef and the WWF.
When it comes to selling display ads – take the main street and the Wal Mart approach to brand promotions – respect the world’s best – and remain family friendly in terms of content, links and advertising displays.
Our front end graphical user interface is ideally suited to touch screens at home, the back of airplane seat monitors, laptops, and for use with the newly released Sony Viao TP2 (a product sold in unison with Microsoft – and is fantastic) is colour coded and simple to navigate.